Acoustics and reverberation time


Hi everyone,

We often talk about room modes or first reflections but few talk about a major reason for treating a room: reverb time.

Reverberation time is the amount of time an audio signal stays active in a room. An anechoic test chamber has no reverb, since only the source signal can be heard. We often measure reverb time with the measure RT60. That is, how long in time until the signal has decayed by 60 dB. We divide this into multiple bands so we can evaluate room treatment in mid-bass, mid, treble separately, but there is also the question of how smoothly it decays. Signals should decay randomly but smoothly. Peaks indicate an echo. Multiple peaks a slap echo. Too little reverb and you end up with a very dry sounding room, with no ambience.

What does this affect? It is like a TV or computer monitor’s pixel. Imagine the screen having a memory of all the previous pixels, like the screen starts to turn grey or blue based on what you saw a few frames ago. So, it blurs the signal. It also colors the signal. A room with excess mid/treble reverb can make every speaker seem like it lacks bass when the reality is that there is too much mid/treble in the room. A side effect of this is that speakers sound harsh when you turn up the volume. Of course, this is subjective, as you can overload a speaker, but when you are using relatively little power and the sound quality changes, it is often excess treble reverb time.

One curious experiment which will make you a believer in reverb time is to treat bare wooden floors between or behind the speakers with pillows or blankets. Why does this help the mid/treble? Well, reverb time. :)

Perhaps now we can imagine why diffusion works. Instead of being pure absorbers, they scatter the sound. They help maintain the reverb time but prevent these coherent, regular reflections. So when we are looking at room treatment we are attempting a combination of many traits. Controlling early reflections, and maintaining a diffuse, rapidly decaying (but not too rapidly) sound field, in addition to managing room modes.

At the gross level, your room acoustics are tone controls. You are playing with the mid/treble balance, and at the finest levels they are helping to localize sounds and provide an enjoyable playing field for your music.

This should also help you understand somewhat why equalizer solutions, including Digital Signal Processing (DSP) based like automatic room correction or DIRAC, etc. can only work up to a point, and why having good room treatment widens the sweet spot, and makes these tools work over a broader physical area.
erik_squires

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scottdog, there is a time window of about 3 to 5 ms in which reflections will interfere with our sense of locating the original sound source. That's why getting speakers several feet out into the room and away from walls helps so much. Sound travels roughly 1 foot per millisecond so speakers 3 feet away the reflection travels an extra roughly 5 feet equals 5ms and there's the delay you need for imaging.

There's another longer one for sense of spaciousness but there's more to it than just timing the spectrum has to be right and it needs to be even. A slap echo at 10ms is just a slap echo. A nice broad spectrum smoothed out and dispersed in time 10ms is a nice sense of space. Odd shaped rooms with lots of different surfaces (fireplace, bookshelves) serves as a kind of natural diffuser. In other words, you lucked out.
Sometimes one of my device were disconnected by accident, or by me for an experiment, and the result were the audible clues and values of each one of my experiments...

This I can totally believe, because the same kind of thing has happened to me several times over the years. Even one time had a party where a guy from work thought he would pull a prank like this he thought I would never know, only to watch me spot what he'd done and fix it in like 60 seconds and all by ear. Twice I have screwed up and put things in going the wrong way and people pretend there's no difference but both times I noticed the mistake and fixed it by listening not looking.  

However, I have nowhere near the phenomenal amount of stuff going on as you do mahgister! Muad'Dib!
A lot of that stuff no doubt looks pretty batty to most folks. Something I know a little bit about seeing as there's more than a few things in my system that look pretty dubious too.  

One of them that we both have are the Schumann generators. Heard about them before, always seemed crazy, but I know mahgister is for real because he is right on about the Schumann generators. They removed a layer of fog and grain revealing all kinds of fine detail that comes through in a much more natural effortless way now. Pretty amazing for a cheap little $10 circuit board. More is better but even now with 8 we are not talking much money, certainly not for what they do.   

Old school panels and traps are fine for what they are, but no amount of them comes anywhere close to what can be done with some of these hard to understand room tweaks. Synergistic Research HFT are tiny little deals that nobody except maybe Ted Denney understands what they do or how they work, but they do indeed work, and crazy good. But if we don't have the foggiest what is going on with them, but they do in fact work, then what right do we have to dismiss any of this other stuff? None. Not that I can see.   

There doesn't even seem to be any evidence that the traditional acoustic approach is any better. In fact it seems to me that ultimately when it comes down to it the very best results are always obtained not by meters and professional consultants but by trial and error and by ear. For sure the best room I have ever heard is Mike Lavigne's and yes he used everything money can buy but ultimately it was his passion for music, his ears, and his keen eye for detail that got him where he is today.  

It didn't roll out from some UPS truck after a phone call to GIK. He worked at it, and hard, and for years. Just like mahgister is doing.  

Some of the best systems I have heard looked like a mad scientist experiment. Mahgister, not a knock, and you won't believe this, but you do not even hold first place! There was a show one time with this tube amp looked like Tesla's lab exploded and even had a big DANGER! HIGH VOLTAGE! sign on it. People kept their distance- including even me! 

But yours mahgister, boy would I like to hear what you got going there.