... abit confused: how does a power cord affect the presentation of sound...
Hello to all...
I was shifting around components in my system, trying to squeeze out better controlled bass, more definition within the soundstage, and better define the "voice/midrange" presentation...
I presently have a tube preamp (hardwired with a wall wart) into an HT Receiver; source is a Marantz SA-8001 CD Player
Swapped out a Yamaha HTR -5550 (hardwired) for a Parasound HCA-750A (which needs a power cord).
CD Player is powered with a PS Audio Statement SC power cord, so I went in my closet and pulled out another PS AUDIO Statement SC power cord, hooked it up and expect to give it at least 5 days continuous re-break-in before serious listening.
Took a minute to lookup reviews about this power cord - and I read some rather confusing reviews: some luved 'um, some liked 'um, but some thought them " ...slow... " (?), and giving a veiled presentation...
I'm gonna listen and decide myself - but I'm abit confused: how does a power cord affect the presentation of sound - I know that interconnects and speaker cables would/could/Do affect sound presentation - but how could a power cord?
Explanation/thoughts please...
I was shifting around components in my system, trying to squeeze out better controlled bass, more definition within the soundstage, and better define the "voice/midrange" presentation...
I presently have a tube preamp (hardwired with a wall wart) into an HT Receiver; source is a Marantz SA-8001 CD Player
Swapped out a Yamaha HTR -5550 (hardwired) for a Parasound HCA-750A (which needs a power cord).
CD Player is powered with a PS Audio Statement SC power cord, so I went in my closet and pulled out another PS AUDIO Statement SC power cord, hooked it up and expect to give it at least 5 days continuous re-break-in before serious listening.
Took a minute to lookup reviews about this power cord - and I read some rather confusing reviews: some luved 'um, some liked 'um, but some thought them " ...slow... " (?), and giving a veiled presentation...
I'm gonna listen and decide myself - but I'm abit confused: how does a power cord affect the presentation of sound - I know that interconnects and speaker cables would/could/Do affect sound presentation - but how could a power cord?
Explanation/thoughts please...
Showing 38 responses by djones51
You're asking why is a power supply different than a cable? I didn't notice anyone mention water but you. The power supply effectivly stops RF getting in and out with electrostatic screens between the primary and secondary in the transformer. As long as the power cord is of sufficient quality to provide the required current to the component that's all you need. |
This is just beyond me. Nothing matters but the power cord from the receptacle to the component? The panel box, wire in the wall, transformer in the component that isolates the primary from the secondary, filtering in the component none of this makes a tinker's damn only this freaking 4 foot power cord?? Jesus Christ people learn how electricity works. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ecircon.html#c1 |
There is no sense in talking about theories of operation if we can't agree that there is an audible effect.You don't begin with the conclusion but a premise. This is circular reasoning or putting the cart before the horse. The power cord is not the last 6 feet, it is the first 6 feet from the perspective of the component. As stated in #1 the local current and electromagnetic effects directly affect the sonic performance of the component.”This statement is idiotic the component has no "perspective" , it can't differentiate between a 6 foot cord or a 50 foot cord. Current isn't local it oscillates all the way back to the power station. This is another conclusion, he hasn't proven it affects the sonic performance just states it as fact. NOT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE COUNTED COUNTS, AND NOT EVERYTHING THAT COUNTS CAN BE COUNTED."Then end with a false attribution to a quote is sloppy research. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/26/everything-counts-einstein/ |
Here’s the best place to start, select electricity and magnetism. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html |
We can measure the amount of noise and distortion from that "ocean" and once those measurements show us it's not audible by humans then I don't really see the point of making it lower. From an engineering perspective I understand the desire for more and better but from a listener perspective it's not that important once you can't hear it. Unless you have very poor performing components the speakers will have the most distortion of anything else anyway. |
IM or intermodulation noise can be reduced below human hearing. Once the random noise floor reaches these levels of -160 dBFS in a DAC noise from amps, speakers etc.. swamp it. It isn't audible to humans , dolphins maybe. The Benchmark DAC3 offers extremely low levels of harmonic distortion from all its outputs. Intermodulation distortion was similarly vanishingly low." "No power-supply–related spuriae can be seen, and the random noise floor lies below –160 dBFS!" "When the DAC3 decoded dithered 16-bit and 24-bit data representing a 1 kHz tone at -60 dBFS, the increase in bit depth dropped the noise floor by more than 30 dB, indicating that the Benchmark’s resolution is at least 21 bits." |
Interesting about the Stradivarius. Read about a test they did with master violinists who picked the new violins as the best sounding over the Stradivarius when they didn’t know which one was playing. Trust your ears not your eyes. https://www.livescience.com/44651-new-violins-beat-stradivarius.html |
Yes, it was a magazine article about research on consciousness done at the Data Science Institute at Columbia. It isn't like a music review magazine. The idea the brain creates consciousness isn't something new as you point out. The that the brain creates consciousness is our modern day working theory it isn't the old paradigm but our continuing paradigm. . It isn't something buried in old textbooks that noone takes seriously. |
Well this working hypothesis is now looking at 3 specific regions of the brain that bring about consciousness. It isn't to create some nefarious post human society but in the hope of being able to bring someone out of a vegetative state. I don't look for points of victory just logic and rationalism. Granted a thread about uber dollar power cords affecting the sound of music is a strange place to look for it. |
If you have a tuner with a reception meter, you can try this yourself. I did. I tried it about 40 years ago it's how we made an antenna to get FM stations late at night. You might do more research the reason the other two wires weren't good antennas is they were twisted wire. |
Brain dont create consciousness, except in very old science textbook.... Sometimes I wonder where you get these notions? Very old textbooks? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190501153354.htm Sound in a physical sense exists without a listener. Need to quit viewing everything from an anthropomorphic lens. |
From a purely physical standpoint falling trees move air creating waves of sound whether anyone is around doesn’t matter. From a psychological view when those waves hit our ears and the brain processes the vibrations we turn and see where the tree fell. So the answer to the age old question is yes and no depends whether you’re talking about physics or human perception. When we test gravity our notions don’t enter the picture. If I believe I can flap my arms and fly I’ll still fall like everyone else who tries the experiment. It’s universal not relying on my subjective view of gravity but the objective reality of it’s force. Likewise with cables, they have measurable physical properties and they will vary not only from one type of conductor to another but within the same type of conductors. Are these differences perceptible? The only honest way to answer that question is to listen and see if we can tell and the only honest way to do that is when we have no preconceptions or biases. Since all humans are afflicted with these preconceptions and biases we control for them to get answers that are more like the gravity experiment where what I think doesn’t affect the outcome, we all fall. |