A somewhat unusual request for PrePro help


I have been in 2 channel high end for a long time. I've been very happy for many years with the following:

EAD T1000 transport
EAD DSP-7000 v.III D/A
Bedini Preamp
Bedini 803 amp
Shahinian Diapason speakers
Kimber and Siltech cables throughout

Like others I am struggling with the desire to move into HT, without sacrificing musical reproduction. My problem is as follows: my house does not allow me to support a dedicated 2 channel AND a HT setup (not enough room). I also find that most HT receivers I have heard (B&K, Denon, Yamaha, Marantz, some others) really do not sound all that good - each in their own way (relative to what I'm used to) for unadulterated musical listening. So I have decided to try and put together a HT system with parts of my existing system.

Since the space I have for HT is also non-ideal (it's big enough, but its arrangement makes for troublesome equipment placement), I decided that I would try to replace parts of my system in an effort to try and consolidate things. One of the first new things I bought was the Marantz DV-8400 DVD player. I listened to a few units (including Denon and Sony) in the hope of finding a universal player that would work well with 2 channel music. I settled on the 8400 because it was the best compromise (for me) given its cost. It does 2 channel in a nice, musical fashion. The low end is reasonably articulate (but does not go down quite as low as my EAD rig). The mid is somewhat laid back, but not recessed. The high end is (again) musical and reasonably airy (but not as extended or haze-free as the EAD rig). I know this sounds like a *negative* assessment, but it really isn't. Given that I was not about to look at a Linn Unidisk or anything like that, it's really quite nice. The Marantz is also quick and has nice pace. It was a steal at the price I paid. Plus, it's video performance is quite good.

So I am now looking to replace my Bedini pre with a HT prepro. Now I know that I *should* be looking at using my Bedini in some kind of pass-thru fashion with a HT device just handling multichannel, but I really am trying to consolidate things, so I am willing to make compromises, but only very SMALL ones (g).

I've read up on a few prepros, and have narrowed my interest to Bryston, Cary, Naim, and EAD. My desires are for the following:

Multichannel analog direct mode
2 Channel analog direct
Video switching is not a requirement
The usual other stuff that makes for HT audio capability (but well done)

I am primarily hoping to find something in the $2500-$4000 range (like new or new) that will help the 8400 in both the upper and lower extreme, but not at the expense of grain or hardness at the top, or boominess at the bottom. I am greatly interested in the Naim, but I am a little concerned about how much of the classic "Naim sound" it may have. Now my audio experience is all in 2 channel, and may be a little out of date. But my memories of the Naim sound were that of incredible pace and rhythm, and excellent midrange, a tuneful upper and lower end, but not as airy on the top or as resolved at either end as I would have liked. Additionaly, I found that the old style Naim sound tended (IMO) to impose that sort of Naim-toe-tapping effect on everything that went through it, even when it didn't seem right. Again, IMO, but if the Naim sound has evolved over the years to keep that sense of pace but also add extension and openness then it will definitely help in my thoughts regarding the AV2.

I would greatly appreciate help and opinions from those of you who are familiar with the sound of the Bedini/Shahinian combination (are there any left out there?). As far as speakers go, assume I will eventually move to maybe Arcs or the like for rears, but I don't know yet what to do about a center (unfortunately Shahinian does not make a shielded speaker).

Is it possible for the price range I've laid out to get HT sound that will at least approach what I'm used to?
tonyptony

Showing 4 responses by sogood51

Well I don't agree with Beemer or Sean on most of their points at all. I do agree that you don't need an expensive Pre-pro. To each his own of course.

For the price of an expensive pre-pro you can pick-up a used stereo pre-amp with HT-pass through and then use something along the line of Outlaw Audio pre-pro or any number of other cheap pre-pro's or receivers with pre-amp outs. On the other hand...if you can find a pre-pro that to your ear, matches a good high quality stereo pre-amp in sound quality...your answer will be at hand.

Of course, if your going to stick a large TV between your speakers...then I do agree with Beemer and Sean. IMO, You will need a projector or plasma type of display as I have done.

Or, as you said...drop the high quality stereo idea and go with a hometheater that also plays music.

Dave
Tony

I run a dedicated LFE sub in my system while my other two subs are fed from the second set of pre-outs on my tubed pre-amp.

Works great although does eat up soom floor space. There are. (I think) a couple of subs on the market which allow LFE input along with normal (music) input...you can switch between the two as needed.

Dave
Not a bad idea Tony, don't forget about the Audio Refinement Pre-5 also. Stereophile liked it if I recall.

I have had my Sunfire theatergrand for a good while so am out of the loop on the newer analog multichannel gear...if I were in your shoes though and just now building, yes...I would be interested in both of these products.

Dave
" The only remaining problem would be to get a center that would integrate well (yes, even for movies!) with my Shahinian fronts."

Tony

Yes that is the problem, I use Apogee Duetta Signatures for fronts and Apogee Centaur Minor for center. This is a very good mate and in all cases sounds better than with-out center.

I have tried other speakers (smaller box types) in the center position with no luck for music...but not bad for hometheater.

Dave