you sound like me when i am trying to get the last bit out of the speakers. what is the size of the room as this is very importand to allow the sound to develop vs having to much speaker and bass response bouncing back into the room, and causing all kinds of problems. there are many out there and i have owned many. the lastpair i bought i had my heart set on a $20,000 pair and keep them along time. thats when i found this site and my local dealer lost contact with me $$$$$$ was he reason. i have had 2 pairs of martin logans which no matter what you have to sit still and the soundstage is narrow and they need room behind them as well. so do you have this?? also the last 4 pairs in order B&W 802 series 3, B&W 805,pbn goldI's and b&w nautilus 803 and 802's. these idonot recomemend in the nautilus line as they have a tipped up top end which was to be eliminated with the new d series.. the speaker that i went with was tyler acoustic woodmeres. they are a d'appolito design with the a midrange tweeter and a midrage below the tweet . abov each midrange at the top of the speaker is a 10 in woofer and a port below it. at the bottom of the speaker is another 10 in and a port above it, you could call it the symetrical d'apollito design. i ordered them in the finish of over 80 choices with x/overs. thes are the best sounding speakers that i have ever owned. the key is to get the set up right especially the distance you sit from them. one thing about a d'appolito design is that the off axis freq. response fall off fast as to let you move forward into he room to help emliminate the first reflextion point and then you angle them at you for center stage. the d'appolito design will give you a large sound stage and a very neutral sound. the drivers are all SEAS DRIVERS depending what you get as well as the SEAS MILLENIUM TWEETER which some feel is one of the best out there. i reread where you dont have a large room so i would look int one of there monitors with stands made for them. i have also a pair of their tyler acoustic linbrook signature monitor with stands. these re55 lbs each and if you go on the website wich is
www.tyleracoutics.com you can see all the brands and the ones ty get back from people that trade them in on his upgradeprogram. when you concider they are factory direct and at the last ces 2005 show robert greene gave the company and ty's speakers best of show in different catogories. when do you see a comapny like the absolute sound give a factory direct speaker comapny praises when theydont advertise in the absolute sound. the tyler acoustics are my favorite speakers of all time. call and ask for ty and tell him BILL L told you to call him. he will give you all the time and info what he thinks will work in your room. IMO the quality of everything from cabinets to drivers and assembly are top notch . the only thing is you are not paying a steteo stores price markup after it goes thru the middle man. what i payed for my woodmers with xotic finsih and outboard xovers it was $11500 deliverd. these would be in a store for $30,0000 msrp. he will have a model in any price point you want but dont pass on the used ones some have only less than 6 months that the people took advantate of the trade up program. its a winner winnner all around with top notch sound that i would put them asthe best sound out there and not to mention their price per performance vs,the competition????? i went with the woodmeres cause i have a big room and then ordered another pair of the linbrook signature monitores with their stands in the same finsh with the wood veneer left from doing the woodmeres for a possible rear speakers that right know are in my a/v system. I really cannot see why people would pay more for a speaker when ty's are that good. i finally took the plunge away from the dealers and i am glad i did especially what i got. i will give you a hint on set up you can have your speakers 1.2x's wider than the distant you sit because of recording techniques use since the 60's in stereo. this is the way i have mine positioned. its under millenium system and catagory done for now. i sit only 8 ft away and they are 116 in.apart from the centers of the speakers.
good luck
BILL L
www.tyleracoutics.com you can see all the brands and the ones ty get back from people that trade them in on his upgradeprogram. when you concider they are factory direct and at the last ces 2005 show robert greene gave the company and ty's speakers best of show in different catogories. when do you see a comapny like the absolute sound give a factory direct speaker comapny praises when theydont advertise in the absolute sound. the tyler acoustics are my favorite speakers of all time. call and ask for ty and tell him BILL L told you to call him. he will give you all the time and info what he thinks will work in your room. IMO the quality of everything from cabinets to drivers and assembly are top notch . the only thing is you are not paying a steteo stores price markup after it goes thru the middle man. what i payed for my woodmers with xotic finsih and outboard xovers it was $11500 deliverd. these would be in a store for $30,0000 msrp. he will have a model in any price point you want but dont pass on the used ones some have only less than 6 months that the people took advantate of the trade up program. its a winner winnner all around with top notch sound that i would put them asthe best sound out there and not to mention their price per performance vs,the competition????? i went with the woodmeres cause i have a big room and then ordered another pair of the linbrook signature monitores with their stands in the same finsh with the wood veneer left from doing the woodmeres for a possible rear speakers that right know are in my a/v system. I really cannot see why people would pay more for a speaker when ty's are that good. i finally took the plunge away from the dealers and i am glad i did especially what i got. i will give you a hint on set up you can have your speakers 1.2x's wider than the distant you sit because of recording techniques use since the 60's in stereo. this is the way i have mine positioned. its under millenium system and catagory done for now. i sit only 8 ft away and they are 116 in.apart from the centers of the speakers.
good luck
BILL L