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A full range speaker?

Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?

That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.

I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.

What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?

 I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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cleeds
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william53b
Some audiophiles are obsessed with this **fantasy* 20hz-40hz region.
I'm not sure why you think achieving good LF is an obsession or fantasy.
This range represents only 1% of the actual music. = There is nothing there
There's more there than you realize. Once you've heard it it's difficult to forsake - LF is the foundation of the music, imo.
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mijostyn
You have to forget about fundamentals. Things like the thumb striking low E produce a thump that is below the fundamental. Percussion will do this also.
Huh? Unlike harmonics ("overtones") that occur naturally in music and nature, undertones generally do not.  You've previously noted that your audio system requires a subsonic filter to avoid your woofers "flapping," so once again I suggest you examine what is going on there that is amiss.
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mijostyn
It is not an undertone cleeds. It is another low frequency sound that accompanies the note.
Here's what you wrote:
You have to forget about fundamentals. Things like the thumb striking low E produce a thump that is below the fundamental. Percussion will do this also.
A note related to but  lower in pitch than the fundamental is an undertone. A note related to but higher in pitch than the fundamental is an overtone. There is no gray area. The transient effect of percussion is higher in pitch than the LF fundamental. (That's why it  is so readily localizeable.)

Undertones don't typically exist in music or nature. You might want to consider the undertones you're having in relation to your woofer flapping problem.
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mijostyn
@cleeds , that is exactly what I wrote. That thump is not the note it is an associated percussive sound and I think that is pretty obvious.
You also think it "obvious" that the percussive strike is lower in frequency than the fundamental:
You have to forget about fundamentals. Things like the thumb striking low E produce a thump that is below the fundamental. Percussion will do this also.
That is completely mistaken, as can easily be shown on even a simple modern software program.

In other threads, you've reported on your need to use rumble filters in your system to prevent your woofers from "flapping." It's increasingly apparent that something is wrong with your system; you're inclined to accept it because you believe those low frequencies are inherent and filtering is the only solution. (While that approach works for you, I've always preferred to tackle LF disturbances at the source.)
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