A "dumb" question about power ratings?


I'm no engineer, but I believe that our Revel Gem speakers have an impedance of 87db, which is whiy the dealers I talk with to recommend an amplifier that puts out at least 100 watts. If this is correct, does this mean that they are suggesting 100 TOTAL watts? Here's where I'm a little confused: The solid state amps I've looked at like the Levinson 334 or Ayre V-1 are "rated" in terms of total watts available. In this example 125 watts and 200 watts respectively. If that's right, then 1/2 of the total wattage is available to each speaker. A 200 watt amp provides about 100 watt per speaker - right? The reason I ask is that mono-block tube amps and the Pass 'class A' amps seem to be rated by the watts put out by each mono unit. If a mono-block tube amp is rated at 50 watts, then that means 50 watts for each speaker, or the equivalent of 100 total watts available in the system -- is this correct? Put simply, is a mono-block tube amp rated at 60 watts roughtly equal in power to a solid state amp rated at 120 watts? I find power ratings and figuring out how much amplifier power is optimum a bit confusing. I suspect this may be a dumb question, but I just want to make sure I understand the ratings correctly. Also, I'd love to know how to make the decision of how much power is enough. Is it simply a mathematical question dependent on how loud you want the speakers to play? Or do other sonic factors come into play? I've read about tube amps that only put out 15 watts, which seems miniscule to me. Would my Revel Gems even operate running off a low powered tube amp? What would they sound like? This is America, after all, isn't more power always better :-)? I will certainly appreciate your insights! Sincerely, Kurt
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Kurt, I salute you on asking your question instead of making an assumption. First, a minor clarification. Your Gem's have an efficiency of 87 dB for one watt input at one meter. They have a "nominal" impedance of 6 ohms, and a minimum impedance of 4 ohms. In other words, they are of pretty much average efficiency and a little more difficult load than average, but no sweat for an amp in the league of Levinson or Ayre or Pass. Amplifier power for stereo amplifiers is customarily per channel, unless otherwise specified. Thus, your "125 watt" Levinson amp is 125 watts per channel, and so on. The question of how much power is enough depends more on your listening tastes and room. For example, say you like orchestral music at the kind of volume you'd get halfway back in a concert hall, maybe 95 dB peaks. And, let's say you sit 12 feet from your speakers. We're going to ignore some factors to make this simple. Okay, one of your speakers will give you 87 dB at 3 feet (one meter, give or take). Two of them, each getting one watt input, will give you 93 dB at three feet. Back up to 12 feet, and the sound pressure level will have fallen off to 87 dB. This is fairly loud, but remember we want peaks of 95 dB. Now here comes the important part. When we increase the wattage input by a factor of ten, we increase the sound pressure level by ten decibels. So at 10 watts per channel input we get 97 dB at our listening chair, at 100 watts input we get 107 dB, and at 1000 watts input we get 117 dB. So you can see that a 15 watt tube amp would give us our 95 dB. I'd like a bit more reserve power for occasional forays into hard rock, but I'd rather have 15 real good watts than 1500 crummy ones. Of the amplifier brands you mention, the Pass Aleph series would be my first choice. Hope this helps.
"Loud" is herby defined as 85 dB at the listening position. "Twice as Loud" is 95 dB. "D*@# Loud" is 105 dB. And "TOO D@#& Loud" is 115 dB. Okay you nailed me on the "good watt/crummy watt" thing. I'll take a shot at it, but I can't back up anything I'm going to say with math. Some amplifiers make you tired of listening, make the music sound grainy or harsh, give you a headache, have no life. You want to turn the volume up so you can hear what's happening in the music. And other amplifiers (often with much higher distortion figures) sound liquid, musical, full of life and energy, like this is easy and they're having fun doing it. You enjoy the music immensely at all volume levels. It's hard to pin down just what the difference is. It's more of a feeling than a tonal difference. But one thing is for sure - we really don't have a consensus on which measurements are of sonic significance. So this is where trusting your ears (and feelings) comes in. Yes, amplifiers do sound different. The difference may be subtle, but it's profound. In my experience a really beefy power supply is very important. I personally lean toward output transformerless (OTL) and single-ended triode (SET) tube amps, but I've heard excellent amps of many different types. Amps that run Class A, or that use little or no negative feedback, often sound (or feel) more musical to me. Okay there's another, more empirical way to predict sound quality - how many pounds an amplifier weighs per watt of output. The heavier, the better. And sadly often the more dollars per watt the better. Yes all things being equal having twice the power will give you a greater sense of ease. The thing is, all these generalities are nice until you get down to figuring out what you can buy with $1500 (or whatever your budget is). Then the more experience you have (not the more cheap [ahem!] advice you listen to), the better choice you will make. I hope you can borrow and listen to a bunch of different amps in your system and come to very different conclusions from the ones I have, because my conclusions have cost me dearly.