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A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
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djones51
4,947 posts
 
I am no expert by a long shot but I can look at 2 different plots and see the difference. No specific cable was mentioned to compare so I just picked speaker cables since it’s easier to use something like REW to take measurements of in room speaker response. After all that’s what we hear speaker and roon interaction. If there is a significant difference it would be readily apparent.

That appears to not be happening so I’ll switch to USB cables. I want the THD+N and Jitter plots from any DAC you choose switching only the USB cable. If possible do a IMD test and Tone input/ sample rate . Use any two cables you want. You want an explanation of how I will use these before you show the measurements. The cable that shows the lowest  distortion on Tone input and THD+N or SINAD and Jitter is the better cable.
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ovinewar
172 posts
 
Shelter in place has not resulted in much self reflection based on this thread. The isolation appears to have divided “them or us” to an even greater extent. If the topic becomes really important, I wonder if we should even attempt to communicate?
rj350
1 posts
 
a lot of intelligence wasted on emotions in here lol
speedbump6
760 posts
 
I’m not sure if I should feel relieved or jealous that Robert and glupson hadn’t mentioned me in that back and forth. Things that make you go hmmm, or maybe I’m just bored in between clients, lol.
roberttdid
534 posts
 
I can't speak for glupson, but if a post is made respectfully, even if I totally disagree, I am going to be respectful in return.  I may make the odd exception if the post is really really silly, but will at least try to just shake my head and walk away.
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