6SN7 variants circa 2019 - tone, longevity, reliability, value


Greetings all -

I’m very interested in hearing from those of you who are using equipment with 6SN7 tubes to hear your thoughts on what the best options are here at the end of 2019. Please do not simply post a comment stating that all modern tubes are garbage - I’m not interested in hearing the same old tired complaints.

I’m especially interested to hear from those who have compared the new production Chinese variants to the NOS "tried and true" champions. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts about *Tone*, reliability and value.

I’ve been trying to get a handle on the Shuguang & Psvane tubes. Many folks rave about them sounding better than virtually all the famous NOS tubes. However, I’ve also run across quite a few posts where people state that they failed much earlier than expected.

It also appears that the Chinese tube manufacturers have gone crazy, creating multiple flavors of 6SN7 tubes. My recent searches have turned up:

The Psvane C-181-T11 Mk IIs - grey internal coating.

The harder to find previous Black Treasure C-181Zs which some found better than the first gen C-181 T11s, but they are out there. Black internal coating.

I know Audio123 loves his "Western Electric "421" repro WE6SN7". Awesome and it makes me very curious. I notice, however, that these can be found in *various sizes* on ebay. What’s up with that?

Grant Fidelity is offering a special *limited edition globe version* of 6SN7SE.

There is also the Cossor version of globular 6SN7, with black internal coating.

Also a new "British" version of 6SN7. This is probably designed to appeal to those of us who are lusting after some unobtainium NOS Brimar tubes.

I could continue, but it would be tedious.I’m very interested to hear from those who have used any of these tubes for an extended period and how they are holding up.

Finally, what about reliable sellers on ebay? What happens to the tubes that fail screening? Do they end up on ebay after having been taken out with the trash?
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Showing 2 responses by luisma31

It is an interesting thread, I think most of the tubes used and the sound will depend on the amplifier or pre amplifier these are used. I own an atmasphere MA-1 monoblocks and MP-3 pre amp.

Let me start saying that the amp and preamp comes stock with shuguangs red base clear glass 6SN7s and the sound is very balanced, rolling tubes can indeed provide better sound to your liking but I find myself using the stock tubes as a reference a lot, these amps and pre sound in credibly good with stock, now that said.
On my preamp I am currently using Chinese shuguangs BT CV-181s very balanced sounding and silent tube, I tried Sylvania GT, GTA and GTB, the sound changes and IMO it has some glare, actually I believe the correct word is sibilance (the sssssss on vocals). Tried the Psvane tube and the sound is similar to the shuguangs BT but one tube died after 20 hours of use and I have only one now. Many will differ with me but I have tried and own the rca red base 5962 which everyone loves and I have find it not very special. The best sounding tubes on my preamp are the GTs, I have the Raytheon black glass GTs and love the sound, that is the only tube I prefer over the BTs on my preamp.

Now onto the amps I have tried several, in this case the Sylvanias are very good sounding, the front tube in my case must be a GTA or GTB because of the voltage, that is my understanding but overall I think the GTs are the best sounding tubes assuming of course equal quality, if you have an old GT chances of microphony could be higher than a more recent production GTA or GTB YMMV
I tried the 6H8C metal base military spec (3 separate pairs) and they run very hot and are prone to failure, 2 died on me and one is microphonic after use so these in my specific case are a no no, the sound I found it to be not as full as with other tubes but I'm sure this is because of my specific equipment. BTW from the beginning Ralph told me Russian 6SN7 on his amps will consistently fail so I was warned early.

No intend to drive this thread into an amp discussion but it is kind of important as discussing tubes alone without the equipment in which these are used has no real meaning. Current and voltage and type of circuits of these amps and pre amps makes all the difference.
Thank you for the description, I have considered getting the Sophia's, have you tried the CV-181?