I could completely ignore this brand of discourse, but for one nagging feeling. The thought that someone, just getting into tubes, might buy into this naysayer nonsense and be deprived of the greatest thing about valved gear. ie: A greatly enhanced capability/possibility to flavor a system, exactly to one's own tastes. I believe dissuading another of experimenting on their own, with the own system, in their own room, with their own ears, is contrary to the heartbeat of this website (regardless of the immediate topic). At least; what seemed the heartbeat, a few years back. Just my opinion and last post, in this thread (and everyone said, "AMEN!").
6922 tube
I have a Cayin CD17 Mark1, takes 2 6922 unbalanced (which i run in) and 2 balanced(which i never will use), So I hada tube flipping business that went sour = lost $$$$,,anyway,, started buying all sorts, A-Z 6922/6dj8,7dg8, ecc88, cc88, etc etc, 188's, 288's, etc etc, I;'ve heard nearly every variety/lab of this variant.
= all sounded nearly identical..
Now maby in your Acoustic reserach a 6922 can be diciphered from others,,but in my cayin CD17, all sound nearly identical.
So I figured, <<must be the circuitry = not so sensitive as per tube typology>> , long story short,, one of the 288's, were bad, amperex, like $125 each,,so a friend lent me a pair of russian military Gold Aero,,,pulg them in,,, wow, my system went sour., after all my countless mods, with super high tech parts, were made ~~null and VOID~~~,,all over a pair of 6922 russian Gold Aero military tubes,, He says they are actually not 6922;'s, but,, can't recall the specific name of this tube.
But its far and away from a true musical 6922.
While every other Tele, Siemens, vavlo (both Red print and White) Philips RCA , GE etc etc ETCCCCC,,all sound nearly exact..
~~~~~Bottom line~~~ Do not waste your money buying the Tele 6922 pair froma german seller for $1500, nor others selling any /all variety of 6922 for over say,,,$20 each,m, Yep you heard me right,, You should never ever pay more than $20 for any 6922 type tube.
All those countless $50-$1500 and maybe even $2500 fora pair of NOS 6922 is pure 100$ snakeoil.
Now a AX and a AU, now here we do indeed hear minisclue differences, which make me a fan of Tele and only the Tele. a Tele offers in my system superior resolution.. Not by much,, but as i've said countless times in all my threads,, a nunace here, a miniscule there, a tweak here, a upgrade there = all adds up to a superior sound.
a 6922= 6dj8 = 7dj8, ecc88, =cc88 = 188 =288,,However my tech guy who lent me the russian non muiscal 6922, said this player is best using any 6922, except the 288... has a dif heater value.
So do not waste your money thinking a over $50 pair of 6922's will improve your sound.
A Tele 6922 is not superior to any 6922(preferable USA/EU) ever made.(just make sure its not chinese= I do not like chinese pretubes>>> nor russian military),,I have a quad of EH's comming in 1 week,, that is one 6922 I've not heard,,will report ASAP.
rant over.
Snakeoil buster here,
,strikes again..
Toucheeee
= all sounded nearly identical..
Now maby in your Acoustic reserach a 6922 can be diciphered from others,,but in my cayin CD17, all sound nearly identical.
So I figured, <<must be the circuitry = not so sensitive as per tube typology>> , long story short,, one of the 288's, were bad, amperex, like $125 each,,so a friend lent me a pair of russian military Gold Aero,,,pulg them in,,, wow, my system went sour., after all my countless mods, with super high tech parts, were made ~~null and VOID~~~,,all over a pair of 6922 russian Gold Aero military tubes,, He says they are actually not 6922;'s, but,, can't recall the specific name of this tube.
But its far and away from a true musical 6922.
While every other Tele, Siemens, vavlo (both Red print and White) Philips RCA , GE etc etc ETCCCCC,,all sound nearly exact..
~~~~~Bottom line~~~ Do not waste your money buying the Tele 6922 pair froma german seller for $1500, nor others selling any /all variety of 6922 for over say,,,$20 each,m, Yep you heard me right,, You should never ever pay more than $20 for any 6922 type tube.
All those countless $50-$1500 and maybe even $2500 fora pair of NOS 6922 is pure 100$ snakeoil.
Now a AX and a AU, now here we do indeed hear minisclue differences, which make me a fan of Tele and only the Tele. a Tele offers in my system superior resolution.. Not by much,, but as i've said countless times in all my threads,, a nunace here, a miniscule there, a tweak here, a upgrade there = all adds up to a superior sound.
a 6922= 6dj8 = 7dj8, ecc88, =cc88 = 188 =288,,However my tech guy who lent me the russian non muiscal 6922, said this player is best using any 6922, except the 288... has a dif heater value.
So do not waste your money thinking a over $50 pair of 6922's will improve your sound.
A Tele 6922 is not superior to any 6922(preferable USA/EU) ever made.(just make sure its not chinese= I do not like chinese pretubes>>> nor russian military),,I have a quad of EH's comming in 1 week,, that is one 6922 I've not heard,,will report ASAP.
rant over.
Snakeoil buster here,
,strikes again..
Toucheeee
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@motzartfan- Should you decide have your tube guy send samples to compare; these pages can offer ideas, far as what to request and sonics to expect: http://hktubeaudio.homestead.com/files/6dj8.html, https://www.head-fi.org/threads/6922-tube-review-17-top-6922-6n23p-e88cc-cca-7308-e188cc-tubes.76107... and: http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm |
Subjectively, I prefer the cleanest, least colored sound, most 3D staging, most accurate tonality, I can get. The Germany and Dutch Post shared that preference (back when/probably didn't care about sound stage) and contracted, "specially selected" tubes, for their services. Make mine the early Sixties, grey shield, large halo, external date code, CCa. ie: https://www.tubemuseum.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SH%5FCCa%5Fsingle Of course, as subjective and varied as listener tastes are; many absolutely love what seems to me the smothering warmth/glazed sweetness of the British tubes. The early Sixties Amperex that I've tried, weren't as warm, but still...... I understand: Different strokes and all that. When I had my shoppe, in Orlando, FL; I accommodated any and all tastes. |
I didn’t mention the two ARC preamps (SP-9 and SP-14), I owned before the BAT CDP. Both of which also displayed remarkable differences in presentation, with various 6DJ8/6922/E88CC iterations. Didn’t matter where the tubes where manufactured. Of course; who am I, to tell another what valuation to place on their system’s presentation, or- it’s possible enhancement? The Audio Pope? |
"care to elaborate on how you tell a Tele from a Amperex?? please?" EASY; the Amperex (early Sixties, Navy 6922) was a little warmer than the long-plate Tele, in the mids. Compared to Teles and Siemens; the Brit tubes (ie: Mullard, Brimar) reminded me of glazed donuts. Just not my taste, in food or sound. Every NOS tube I tried had a more extended and more solid bottom-end, better sound stage, tone, etc, than the six Sovteks that were stock in the CDP. |
I purchased my BAT VK-D5 in the early Nineties. It takes six 6922 family tubes. Tried a wide variety of the best I could find (Amperex, Teles, etc) and could even tell the differences between the earlier years of the Siemens CCa. Especially between the silver shield/internal date code and grey shield/external dates. Six of those grey shields to install and another sextet for backup, cost half as much as the CDP itself. I almost wish I couldn’t hear the differences, so..........NAH (not a chance)! |