care to elaborate on how you tell a Tele from a Amperex?? please?
6922 tube
I have a Cayin CD17 Mark1, takes 2 6922 unbalanced (which i run in) and 2 balanced(which i never will use), So I hada tube flipping business that went sour = lost $$$$,,anyway,, started buying all sorts, A-Z 6922/6dj8,7dg8, ecc88, cc88, etc etc, 188's, 288's, etc etc, I;'ve heard nearly every variety/lab of this variant.
= all sounded nearly identical..
Now maby in your Acoustic reserach a 6922 can be diciphered from others,,but in my cayin CD17, all sound nearly identical.
So I figured, <<must be the circuitry = not so sensitive as per tube typology>> , long story short,, one of the 288's, were bad, amperex, like $125 each,,so a friend lent me a pair of russian military Gold Aero,,,pulg them in,,, wow, my system went sour., after all my countless mods, with super high tech parts, were made ~~null and VOID~~~,,all over a pair of 6922 russian Gold Aero military tubes,, He says they are actually not 6922;'s, but,, can't recall the specific name of this tube.
But its far and away from a true musical 6922.
While every other Tele, Siemens, vavlo (both Red print and White) Philips RCA , GE etc etc ETCCCCC,,all sound nearly exact..
~~~~~Bottom line~~~ Do not waste your money buying the Tele 6922 pair froma german seller for $1500, nor others selling any /all variety of 6922 for over say,,,$20 each,m, Yep you heard me right,, You should never ever pay more than $20 for any 6922 type tube.
All those countless $50-$1500 and maybe even $2500 fora pair of NOS 6922 is pure 100$ snakeoil.
Now a AX and a AU, now here we do indeed hear minisclue differences, which make me a fan of Tele and only the Tele. a Tele offers in my system superior resolution.. Not by much,, but as i've said countless times in all my threads,, a nunace here, a miniscule there, a tweak here, a upgrade there = all adds up to a superior sound.
a 6922= 6dj8 = 7dj8, ecc88, =cc88 = 188 =288,,However my tech guy who lent me the russian non muiscal 6922, said this player is best using any 6922, except the 288... has a dif heater value.
So do not waste your money thinking a over $50 pair of 6922's will improve your sound.
A Tele 6922 is not superior to any 6922(preferable USA/EU) ever made.(just make sure its not chinese= I do not like chinese pretubes>>> nor russian military),,I have a quad of EH's comming in 1 week,, that is one 6922 I've not heard,,will report ASAP.
rant over.
Snakeoil buster here,
,strikes again..
Toucheeee
= all sounded nearly identical..
Now maby in your Acoustic reserach a 6922 can be diciphered from others,,but in my cayin CD17, all sound nearly identical.
So I figured, <<must be the circuitry = not so sensitive as per tube typology>> , long story short,, one of the 288's, were bad, amperex, like $125 each,,so a friend lent me a pair of russian military Gold Aero,,,pulg them in,,, wow, my system went sour., after all my countless mods, with super high tech parts, were made ~~null and VOID~~~,,all over a pair of 6922 russian Gold Aero military tubes,, He says they are actually not 6922;'s, but,, can't recall the specific name of this tube.
But its far and away from a true musical 6922.
While every other Tele, Siemens, vavlo (both Red print and White) Philips RCA , GE etc etc ETCCCCC,,all sound nearly exact..
~~~~~Bottom line~~~ Do not waste your money buying the Tele 6922 pair froma german seller for $1500, nor others selling any /all variety of 6922 for over say,,,$20 each,m, Yep you heard me right,, You should never ever pay more than $20 for any 6922 type tube.
All those countless $50-$1500 and maybe even $2500 fora pair of NOS 6922 is pure 100$ snakeoil.
Now a AX and a AU, now here we do indeed hear minisclue differences, which make me a fan of Tele and only the Tele. a Tele offers in my system superior resolution.. Not by much,, but as i've said countless times in all my threads,, a nunace here, a miniscule there, a tweak here, a upgrade there = all adds up to a superior sound.
a 6922= 6dj8 = 7dj8, ecc88, =cc88 = 188 =288,,However my tech guy who lent me the russian non muiscal 6922, said this player is best using any 6922, except the 288... has a dif heater value.
So do not waste your money thinking a over $50 pair of 6922's will improve your sound.
A Tele 6922 is not superior to any 6922(preferable USA/EU) ever made.(just make sure its not chinese= I do not like chinese pretubes>>> nor russian military),,I have a quad of EH's comming in 1 week,, that is one 6922 I've not heard,,will report ASAP.
rant over.
Snakeoil buster here,
,strikes again..
Toucheeee
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Yes The Takman's REY are everything <<and more>> that takman claims about the perf of their resistors. Not the Rex carbon, which are too smooth for my system. has to be Metal = Rey's. Richard only swaped out 2 pairs so far,,results= can hear distinctly every word Elvis Costello sings in his Burt Bacharach collection,,,instrments are not articulated,,, open airy,,,have many more to swap out. p Vid just uploaded 10 minutes ago take a listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7iPHN9r_SY |
Here you can actually see the sovtek 6922 which i mention in the OP, Although I appreciate a friend lending me a pair, this tube is anti-music, completely destroys the beauty of the Cayin Cd17 Mark1 go to 1:12 to see this most putrid sounding 6922. It was made for miltary machines, not audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev5I9qMWFOg&t=25s |
,, But not sure if my Cayin CD17 is sensitive enough to pick up these nuances,, I'm thinking glad i only paid $25 for a EH quad,, I don't like that design,, but when they arrive, I'll find out,,So yeah,, eventually i 'll save up for a pair of Tele's.. In this shootout I give the edge nuances to the Tele's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxPbvizQneU I will say this, more bigger nuances to gain via new caps vs new tubes. Tubes only make a slight nuance, whereas new caps, a medium size nuance. |
Well that bites. Glad I don't use 6922 family tubes. That said, every tube I have ever tried, has had it's own easily-discernible sound
As stated in my OP, every tube does havea ceratin voicing,, the lone exception is the entire family of 6922's. Don't get me wrong,,I love the 6922 sound, I have no issues with the 6922. Its just, don't spend any more than say $50 a pair, TOPS, $55 is over priced,, That includes Teles NOS in boxes,..listing at $$$$ On Ebay,, Those Tele NOS will sound exactly like the $25 each X brand on ebay. |
I should have mention,, the pair of russian tubes lent to me are/are not actual sovtek,,, they have some odd number to them,, But lender (Richard Gray) did say they are Sovtek's.. But also said they are ****, which is some odd 6922, *original sovtek?) anyway,,here is a YT vid, Sovtek vs Tesla,, (should say, I HATE any Tesla, so huge bias there),,some comments prefered the Sovtek,, as i also prefered the Sovtek's. Not a fair shootout as Tesla is the lowest grade of all EU tubes. Tell ya what,, i will have my tube guy in washington state send me some 6922's, and will make some tests. I'll try to reopen my mind about a 6922 variants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev5I9qMWFOg |
taste, in food or sound. Every NOS tube I tried had a more extended and more solid bottom-end, better sound stage, tone, etc, than the six Sovteks that were
Exactly My friend lent mea pair of <<Sovteks>> = Military crap. Yes every USA/EU 6922 is far far superior to any Sovtek which as you say comes with some units. I have a quad of EH's arriving,,hoping they can meet EU standards. My unit is sensitive,, or how would I know the Sovs sounded anti-musical,, those were built for battle eqip , not hifi. Again, I stand by my thesis, that every EU/USA 6922, the sonics are so close,, its a mini-minscule dif in sonics.. Now its true I have made some changes in my system,, perhaps now the difs may be herad more clearly,,, But at this point, I have no cash for rolling tubes,, The point of this topic is don't spend big cash on 6922;'s, as these are not made with the same sensitivity as the AX/AU.. Now in these 2 pre tubes, sure each brand will have more nuances in sonics.. Not much, but enough to make me a solid fan of Tele and no others. But as far as 6922, my top budget is 25 a tube, as the sonic difs ,, I am more than confident are so mini-scule,, makes no sense spending more than $25/each. My posts are locked in google now, So if in decades to come, someone is researching 6922 shootout,,he'll read my posts and save his cash for other tweaks. This is the purpose of my topic,, and not to convince you hard liners in this snakeoil of 6922 high priced tubes. |
Ok so general consensus is there is more than justa nuance dif, they all voice distinctly different, Ok, lets put this to the test I want everyones general vote on one, Uno, not 2, just 1, as the <best/superior/king/champion of all 69222's, in terms of Soundtage/resolution of freqencies, separation of instruments, liquid mids, sparkle highs, voices the human voice near perfect.. (provided we are assuming, all other components are able to match this feat of a perfect 6922). As in the Olympics , there can only be 1 Gold Medal,, (which isa scam of sorts, as in swimmers, the silver taking 2nd medal only due to a loss of .001 second, which on the next day , who knows the silver may have beaten the Gold place)) anyway, only 1 6922 can win as Premier, As in AX,AU's only Tele's reign as Gold Medals, all others 2nd place. So which is it?? This I just got to hear,, everyone will have their own pick. Which leads me to my testing on at least 40 NOS EU 6922's, = all sounded near <<Identical>> Nope , ain;'t buying folks, Sorry to go against the popular vote. Besides construction looks identical ,, no one here could say this is that lab, this is this,,w/o print on tube. whereas a Tele AU/AX are distinctly not like all the others. Tele AU/AX's has a slight edge vs all others. I am talling nuance,, Some of you are saying there are HUGE, Grand Canyon size differences in sonics twix 6922's. How is this even remotely possible, when if there is no print on the tube, you can not tell me the brand?? a 6922 = any other 6922. = a 188 = 288, etc..(exception are the chinese/russian tubes, russia and china never did nor ever will make a good sonics pre tube) The New EH's are copies and good copies on any EU NOS. |
I've tried several NOS 6922 pairs in my VAC preamp and settled on 1961 NOS Amperex after finding the Mullards a bit too warm and Siemens much too bright. The Dutch made Bugle Boys were my goldilocks tubes ;-)
OK now this is a good report,, Look since my 6922 tube rolling some months ago,, I"ve employed quitea few upgardes throughout my system = higher sensitivty = better able to hear dif's in various 6922's. So my OP could be dated/bias/needs futher explanations. Thus I have purcahsed 1) quad EH6922 2) Quad Tele PCC88 3) pair of JJ's. Now when these arrive next week, I will be able to make a more clear determination as to how valid or worthless (=BS) is the content of my OP. I could indeed be wrong, all due to multi new upgardes ,,,all which came AFTER I made The Great 6922 tube roll. As I say, it is these early russian 6922 **military* tubes which alerted my attention that the circuitb in my cayin CD17, might acutally be more sensitive than I am aware. New upgardes, caps, resistors, high quality silver cables throughout system,,might now have bumped up the sensitivty of whatever tube goes in the cayin 17. We must keep in mind,a new cap, will send shock waves throughout the system,, Certain weaknesses/strengths will begin to show up with employinga new cap, new resistor, new style tube, new component. We will find out shortly is all 69922's are near equal, or not. Stay tuned,,will report test findings, ASAP. |