2A3 vs. 845


Here's a message I posted on AA. I'm going to post it here as well for a larger audience.

What a stupid title for a thread, eh? :-}

I'd read a number of times comments such as "the larger triodes just don't have the magic of the smaller 45s, 2A3s, etc". I never quite understood how/why that should be and largely wrote it off as probably either largely untrue or insignificant.

But I made a discovery recently. I have a pair of 845 SET monoblocks and a small 2A3 integrated that retails for about 1/5th the price, both from the same maker, and the 2A3 sounds better on sensitive speakers. It just sounds more open and effortless - it does microdynamics better - those subtle fluctations in voice and horns that make music sound so alive.

Why would or should this be? I *think* the smaller amp has only one gain stage vs two (it shares a single dual-triode driver for both channels) and that could certainly make a difference. And of course, yes, I am not comparing apples-apples here in a lot of ways.

So, in general, what is there about big vs. lil tubes that could or should make the latter preferable? Simplicity of the circuit? What else? How about the power supply. When you've got a giant triode, even a just-adequate power supply is very big and heavy. With a 3W amp, it's *much* more feasible to do a seriously overbuilt power supply. Indeed, going by how long each amp continues to play with the power shut off, and their consumptions, the 2A3 amp wins that one by a wide margin.

What else is there? If anything? Comments are very welcome!
paulfolbrecht

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There's more to it that simply the output tube. Circuit design, parts quality, transformers, power supplies, etc. etc. are far more important than the output tube itself. Not to mention the speaker load and other system components.

I've heard good and bad examples of both 2A3 and 845 amps.

If you had the opportunity to hear a 2A3 and 845 side by from the same manufacturer with speakers capable of being driven by each, then conclusions regarding sonic characteristics of the 2 tubes might be more appropriate.

A 2A3 amp with the proper speaker is a glorious experience.