101D Triodes


I have a Coincident Technology Statement Mk III Line Stage Preamp It uses a matched pair of 101D-L triodes. One tube has failed necessitating replacement of the pair. These were Psvane WE Replica Line (silver line). I have used (or tried) Lanlai 101D Mesh Plates, and found them pretty noisy. It was mentioned to me that the mesh plate contributed to the noise. I am seeking any thoughts from those experienced with the Sophia Electric 101D-L Mesh Plate. Generally, there longevity and of course there sonic qualities. I have in the pass used a Sophia Electric 274B rectifier in a head phone amp and was impressed, but had the opportunity to hear it in someone else's rigg before I purchased one for my own.

Also Full Music makes this tube, if you have experience with these, please advise. Thank you, Brad

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@ sns.

About 1 month after purchasing the Coincident Statement, Israel, mailed the sand cast resistors to me with an explanation of there use and affect to the filament circuit. Unlike you, I had what he sent installed. In hindsight I regret not upgrading those sand cast resistors. I appreciate you bringing it up. With this recent failure, it didn’t cross my mind. Also I had no knowledge of the high failure rate of the Linlai mesh and solid plate. I returned the Linlai mesh plate to grant Fidelity due to noise issues. The grant Fidelity website shows both the mesh and solid plate out of stock, allowing you to be advise / notified by Grant when they are restocked; Nothing is mentioned about there discontinuation. I was thinking that maybe the solid plate may be less noisy than the mesh and was going to do a little research to see if anyone had experience with the tube. I probably won’t go down that path, now that provided me with info on the cause of the high failure rate of these tubes. My Coincident Statement was equipped with the white base Psvane when I purchased it (Demo from Coincident, still covered in plastic sheeting) One of the tubes failed in less than 10 hours. At the time I was unable to find any Psvane WE tubes so I purchased a matched pair of Psvane white base tubes from Viva. One of the two failed with 20 hours. It was a couple of months before I was able to purchase and install the WE. I have been logging elapsed time in use on the WE, but still need to add it all up to see how much actual time on the tubes. My guess is less than 500 hours. Both TJ Full Music and Sophia are mesh plate tubes. Sophia has there tubes made by various manufactures, according to Copilot AI, but most manufactured by Shuguang; Sophia test and screens there tubes. I am guessing that the process is accomplished in China. Regardless of tube quality it appears to be a no win situation, considering there heater filaments are subjected to vibration and impact damage during shipment. Unless like you stated, you happen to get a rare reliable pair that stood up to the rigors of shipment. TJ Full Music are also made and shipped from China.

The new Coincident statement has been redesigned and the 300B replaces the 101D. I will have to check with Israel to see if existing Mk III Statement’s can be modified to use the 300B.

One thing I should of asked of you earlier is; are you saying that the Linlia Elite , and Psvane tubes are more suspectable to shipping issues due to there design/material use than the entry level Psvane or Shuguang tubes?

Did you find the Linlai tube to be noisy. Since the Full Music and Sophia are both mesh plates, I would like to find out if others using these tubes had any noise issues or is this problem more of a Linlai issue than a mesh plate issue.

sns, thanks for your contribution / help regarding this issue. Brad

@sns 

Israel, sent me a letter describing the problem with the circuit for the heater element along with the sand cast replacement resistors.  Considering the quality of the Coincident products, It doesn't make sense (at least to me) that this heater circuit incorporated sand cast resistors in the first place.  Pending what Israel has to say about MK III 300B conversions, I probably will have my Statement Pre., modified to incorporate the Ohmite resistors. Due you have reference to the type or part number of the Ohmite you used? In between tube replacement and resistor mods., I will put my Ars Sonus Filarmonia (w/coupling cap mod) into my system.  I have been wanting to do this for a while now since I never used it with the Devore Super 9's I purchased in 2022.  I got to get back to some work I have been doing in the yard to take advantage of the daylight.  I will post any additional info I find on the subject, and what Israel has to say with regard to a possible 300B mod.  Thanks,  Brad

 

I will let you know what Israel says about the mod.  Since there is no mention of it on the Coincident web site, my thought is that you are probably right.

Thnx for the Ohmite info.  When I add up the hours on the tubes, I will let you know how much time I accumulated on them.

I'm hoping someone here can provide info on the FJ Full Music and / or the Sophia.

 

 

@sns 

Update:  Awaiting response from Israel regarding 300B mod.

Added up hours on my 101D WE Rep before failure.  Came to 561.0

 

Here are the detailed electrical specification differences between the NOS Western Electric 101D and the current production PSVANE 101D-L vacuum tubes:

Specification NOS Western Electric 101D PSVANE 101D-L
Heater Voltage 4.2V 4.5V
Heater Current 1.0A 1.0A
Maximum Plate Voltage (Ua) 130V 190V
Maximum Plate Current (Ia) 7.7mA 30mA
Power Rating 15W 15W
Direct Interelectrode Capacitances Input: 4.8 µF, Output: 5.2 µF, Grid to Plate: ≤ 3.3 µF Input: 4.8 µF, Output: 5.2 µF, Grid to Plate: ≤ 3.3 µF

The main differences are in the heater voltage and maximum plate voltage, with the PSVANE 101D-L having slightly higher values. This means the PSVANE 101D-L can handle higher voltages, making it suitable for a wider range of applications.