If you had to pay full retail, would you...???


I recently got the Music Direct catalog in the mail. Lots of cool gear, interesting tweaks, awesome LPs. Looking over the catalog several times, I said to myself, "man, there are a lot of expensive tweaks which the un-initiated must think is simply crazy". What also struck me is that all the stuff I want, is ultra expensive and the stuff at "real-world prices" are nothing really spectacular. Even at the low end side of "high-end" gear, I would be laying out considerably more than if I went to Best Buy and bought an All in one system.

So, here is where I am headed. I have put together a pretty nice system, almost entirely found here on Audiogon, over back in the day at Audiomart. I scored my amps which retail for $13,000 for $4000. My speakers retailed for $7500 and I got em for $1500. My turntable was $500, which retail was $2500. If, I bought a new $500 turntable, I would get like a Music Fidelity MF, entry level one.

if you bought most of your system used, if you had to start from square one and had to buy Full retail, would you still be into this hobby?

Entry level high end gear really does not interest me. it lacks pizzaz, like the Avid Reference has. For what I paid for my AudioLogic tube DAC, I could only afford a Mid-level Marantz. I beleive I would still be a Music lover, but if forced to spend Full retail for high end gear, I think I would opt for mass market mid-fi, or simply do a laptop based digital system through a mass market company.
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12-28-06: Jmcgrogan2

.... Note: Sarcasm Alert
Gee - you weren't kidding. Hope you slept well.

Regards,
George my quintessential doesn't get it guy! All that "room" isn't keeping them in business now is it?

Does your boss ask you to wiggle on your salary? Don't you have some wiggle room?, certainly you're not worth what you make all the time right?

Save your boss 33% on a project by making a smooth move and he says hey lets cut your paycheck 15% this week for the thanks. Cause we appreciate all you do for us. Yeah that never happens. So stop being a hypocrit and suggest that I take the hit in my wallet when I could have been the 2nd rate dealer who carries overpriced underperforming products with a popular name brand on it instead of good speakers. Thanks, and your advice sucks, cause then everyone of his cheap audiophile friends/refferrals will want a 15% discount and then my boss can't afford me and well now I coach football.

In the end George there is no wiggle room anymore, infact their is no margin to hire people with serious qualification into the retail level of audio. As the equipment improves the demands on the end user goes up to maximize the potential of your investment. Maybe you like going to the lonely guys house who has decided to carry a few brands and knows about nothing and has a conviction that $7 ($250 retail) AC outlets is the number one way to make a great system. That's what we're left with. Semi-pro's,

Do you know I bet there is less than 5 people on this entire board who can setup a surround system so it works properly! Especially the dealers who will sell the system to you without the wiggle room.

Most 2nd hand systems can be bested by buying the right gear at retail prices. It is extremely rare that the 2nd hander doesn't sabotage his system with the "irresisteable deal" on a super component that inevitably messes up his entire system. Time and again I had to deal with 2nd hand dudes who simply could not overcome the view of what they were saving versus what they were spending to make the system right.

audiophiles are masochists that way.
McGrogan,

I'm gone, no more audio selling for me, just like mixing it up a little.

Coaching Football these days, something where the outcome is not subjective and winning means I don't have to suffer fools or discount my salary.
hi tvad:

i bought the quads and quad amps from harmony house in manhattan some time in 1966. i paid full retail and a salesman set them up in my living room.

the problem with some audiophiles is that they are not interested in music or sound quality. audio equipment for them is but an example of conspicuous consumption.

unfortunately for many manufacturers and audio dealers sound quality is unimportant.
mr edwards:

it's amazing to me that you are successful. your know-it-all attitude is offensive. a truly wise man knows he knows not. you probably know very little, and are insecure and full of opinions as well as full of yourself.

you probably should see a therapist. you sound very bitter to me.