What are we really trying to replicate?


Two questions:

(1) At what point does the level of an audio system exceed the level at which it was recorded and/or transferred to media? Does it make sense to spend thousands of dollars to reproduce a record that is mass produced?

(2) When trying to replicate a concert, can speakers actually sound too good? I doubt most concerts have a equal level of sound quality compared to the systems represented on this forum, so is there a case to simply build a system that plays extrememly loud? How much unamplified live music (think symphony) is really available?
mceljo
I agree with Opus88 that attending live concerts is wise; not only for comparison purposes but for sheer enjoyment. Now live concerts vary - mostly by genre. The striking feature of live rock concerts, (although I admit the last one I went to was in 2002) is loud and impressive. To get the same effect you need a system that can do the same - loud, full bass etc. Classical symphony and opera on the other hand is pretty much in the other direction - does not sound loud in general - even at the loudest parts it still does not sound loud in the same way that a rock concert does, and it does not sound "impressive" - by that I mean it just sounds right but does not knock you out of your seat in the same way that a rock concert does. Not that one is better than the other - they are just different. Of course if you have never been to quite a few of either then it would be impossible to determine whether or not you are coming close to replicating the sound.
I've been to a couple of symphony concerts recently, but generally don't attend rock concerts because I don't enjoy that style of music or atmosphere. I'm the guy that prefers to watch the superbowl alone so I can enjoy rather than being distracted by the crowd and I feel the same way about music I guess. A few months ago I attended a David Garrett concert in Seattle and as amazing as it was I wished the sound system was better. The worst I've ever heard was the American Idol Season 1 tour in Seattle, horrible horrible horrible.

A friend of mine has been a symphony season ticket holder for the past 7 or 8 years and commented that my system was a close to the real thing as he had heard in someones living room. We've both heard better at our local Hi Fi store where my equipment is definitely closer to entry level stuff.
Mceljo: I tend to agree with you also as atmosphere for music and, for that matter, the sporting events. I have turned down free tickets to the Rose Bowl game and to NFL playoff games and when I go to the symphony, which is quite often, I listen like Karajan conducted- with my eyes closed the entire time. To me the crowd, driving there, parking, etc, are all simply a nuisance. I would like to point out that the goal of replicating the live event or the sound of the live event is only one possible goal of playing recorded music at home. Remember that unless you are listening to a recording of a live concert, what you have on the CD or LP is not one 'live' event anyway. Rather, you have a studio version which is perfected takes seamed together. So a certain extent hearing the real thing at home is kind of artificial to start with. A better question may be "Do you like the way music sounds on your system?"
I haven't invested tens of thousands of dollars so that I can play that vinyl record that was made poorly, but, rather, to listen to the music that was recorded exceptonally well. I think that we "audiophiles" concentrate on the better recordings. We all have old, poorly recorded ones that are dear to our hearts, and make us feel good when we listen to them but what gets my little hairs on the back of my neck raised are those incredible recordings. They make the musicians sound like they are in the room with me--or, I guess, like I am in thier room, with them.