Can anything beat Vintage Amps for the $$$?


Restored Fisher, Scott, or Eico integrated amps can all be had for under $500. Do you think any new or used, tube or SS integrated amps can compete in this price range? Any opinions?
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I have a 1961 Bell integrated tube amp with a phono stage that gives me 22 watts of musical power and no problems.It even had the original RCA 6V6 and Telefunken 12ax7 tubes when I bought it. The tubes have been replaced with EH and nothing else has been done.Sometimes you get lucky.I use it with a tuner and a cheap pair of Paradigms for background listening. Wish I would have kept my old Rogers LS3/5A's from years ago. But who knows,maybe lightening will strike twice.
I also like the older Thresholds, alot of bang for the buck. Throw in some easy upgrades and watch out.
I have a vintage accuphase E202. I paid 350 for it, spent around 50 for volume pot and speaker posts (DIY). I don't have a chance to compare with Fisher, Scott, or Eico integrated amps. Anyway...E202 is a wonderful integrated amp.
I have not heard every $500 modern nor vintage integrated, but I don't think that the claims that vintage integrateds can be excellent value are exagerated. Here's my experience:

I own three integrateds for secondary sound systems, a Musical Fidelity A3 (paid $650 used), a Scott 222C ($250), and a Scott 299 ($300); I have also borrowed and listened to, a Creek A50 ($500 used). The two Scotts are similar enough that I will refer to them as one. It is true that the two modern amps (MF, Creek) are "cleaner" sounding than the Scotts, but in a HI-FI way. Are they "faster"? Not according to my definition of speed. The Scott's have the tube magic and musicality. They let subtle musical phrasing details come through that the two modern ss amps do not. They simply sound more alive, the sound is more active. By comparison, the two modern amps, particularly the MF, can sound dynamically dead: A dead corpse in a new, shiny, well pressed suit. Images have body and density with the Scotts, the two ss amps portray outlines of the images very well. The Scotts give you three dimensional images drawn with soft-brushed strokes, instead of flat images drawn with a sharp pencil, as with the modern amps. The Scotts, for some reason, let me enjoy the music, instead of always reminding me of how much better my main rig sounds.

The key here is, I think, price point. There is Jolida, and I'm not up on what used Jolidas go for. Also, I am pretty sure that something like a used older Audible Illusions (tubes) preamp mated to something like a used small Adcom (535?) for around $500, would beat a used Scott; maybe.

Good luck, I highly recommend the vintage route; at that price point.
Don't forget that a key component of any tube amplifier is the output transformers [except for OTL's, of course!] I know that there are people who search for these "classic" makes of vintage x-formers, much in the same way people search for vintage NOS tubes.