Speaker positioning?


I'm trying to figure out where in our living room is best to put our speakers. The room is 14'x25', and "bright" sounding. We just got a puppy, so floor "treatment" is unlikely soon, and I haven't talked my wife into wall or ceiling treatments.

I used to have the speakers about 6-8 feet apart in the middle of the long wall, and sat about 6 feet from them. They seemed too bass-y crammed against the wall like that.

Now have them along a short wall, at one end of the room. They are 2-3' from the side wall, and 4-5' from the back wall. I sit about 10' from them. This has helped the bass, but now the high-end seems overly bright.

We are on the verge of bringing some furniture in and putting the stereo gear into it (electrician and all) -- this may make my choices more or less permanent! I don't want to lock in anything I'll regret.

I would appreciate any suggestions on other positions to try.

Thanks!
ehart
Start by bringing the speakers about one third of the way into the room with your seating position about the same distance in as well. Move the speakers about 8 feet apart and adjust from there.

What speakers and associated equipment do you have? What surfaces are in the room? Glass?
Hi Ehart, drag this link into your browser. Cardas Audio Insights - Room SetupAddress:http://www.cardas.com/insights/roomsetup.html Changed:1:05 PM on Monday, February 19, 2001 --- You can try this position as starters but may also need some treatment. Good Luck
I have a room of similiar size

cardas' rules don't exactly apply
but you can reinforce frequencies by using the odd divisions of the room placement (see fac listed below)

place the speakers along the long wall
equal distance apart as there are from your listening vantage point. You need to bring the speakers away from the wall, experiment with distance by every two inches. Listen for good stereo seperation but a good pinpoint central image with things like a female singer on a recording where she is located on a central track. Speakers too far apart, you will hear a lack of focusing in the center. My setup gives great focusing and nice separation well beyond the edges of the speakers.

see the audioasylum fac on speaker placement or do a search at audiogon on speaker placement

http://www.AudioAsylum.com/audio/scripts/d.pl?audio/faq.html
the audiophysics method is fairly sound

best of luck finding sonic nirvana
Audiotomb has it right on suggesting the 2 inch change then do a sound check process. When the speakers were along the long wall you probably were at a reinforcining node (the bass is a wave function that adds at subtracts). Putting the speakers in, or near the corners usually increases bass. With the speakers 4 to 5 feet out like you have them you have avoided this reinforcement. The same thing will happen if you experiment with the long wall placement. Since the short wall placement puts the speakers closer to the side walls you are probably getting more first reflections reaching the listening position within the time frame where the brain hears them as coherant parts of the music. that could be causing the brightness/harshness. On the long wall the first reflections reach the listening position much later. I have my speakers on the long wall. There is a glass door on one side about 5 ft from the speaker and a glass bay window on the other about 8 ft from the speaker, both without treatments, and the first reflections are not unbearable. Treatments would be better but there is the WAF.good luck