Best Isolation Device for Speakers?


Has anyone had a chance to directly compare different speaker isolation tweaks? I am wondering because of the recent thread on the Sistrum stand. I know that many of these things have been discussed in other posts, but there is not alot of direct comparison among them. I suspect that most of these are excellent, so if anyone has some information on their specific sonic impact, that would be helpful. I have a pair of Thiel 7.2s. Some of the ones I am considering:

Aurios Pro
Sistrum Speaker Stand
Mana Speaker Stand
Stillpoints
Audiopoints

Thanks,
Rob
rtn1
It seems to me that coupling might be best for certain applications, and isolating for others. I, too, have a suspended wood floor. In theory, it makes sense to couple the speakers to the floor in order to stabilize the speakers and prevent smearing and distortion of the waves. But since the floor is now vibrating via the speakers, perhaps the rest of the electronics should be isolated. I would think that the floor vibrations would be much more detrimental than the vibrations inherent from the power supply and electronic circuits.

Has anyone tried this approach? I would think that a device like Aurios would create unwanted lateral movement of a speaker backwards with each forward push of the diaphragm. This might lead to a loss of coherence and a detriment to speaker accuracy. And yet, many people writing glowingly of the Aurios.

Can someone help enlighten me?
Rtn1, I honestly don't know why the Aurios work so well under my speakers, I just know that they work. As I said earlier, my house is an old wooden structure with suspended wooden floors. The house vibrates from internal sources (HVAC and stereo) and external sources (I live a half mile from an interstate highway). In addition to the speakers I've placed my entire equipment rack on a maple platform placed on top of Aurios Pros. It's not a huge or dramatic upgrade, but it's definitely worth the money and effort. The Aurios produce a general cleaning up of the sound with a better presentation of low level information.
Rtn1, I also have suspended floor. I have tried both coupling and isolation. For my room, isolation is essential. When vibration from the speakers gets into the floor, a lot of terrible sounding grunge obscures the music. My existing rig sounds very nice, and the difference (compared to bare speakers sitting on floor) is astounding - the largest single improvement I have made to my system.

I started with points, then cones. I was astounded at the improvement these made (over no devices). I could still feel some vibration on the floor.

In effort to isolate further I tried sorbothane pads. Floor vibrated less, sound stage was deeper (than cones or points) background was a bit quieter. Down side is music was smeared somewhat and lacked "PRAT" and excitement.

Convinced that I needed a more linear device than sorbothane, I tried sash springs. Smearing was gone, but not soft enough to decouple - floor still vibrated.

Better that all of these as isolation device (which I have been using for about a year now) are bicycle inner tubes, partially inflated. These float the speaker off the floor, in a manner similar to turntable suspension.

My speakers are fairly heavy (about 100lb) and dead, so coupling is somewhat less important for me. If you need to couple (ground) your speakers *and* isolate them from the soft floor (two oposite concepts) you could try this: Use a heavy, stiff slab or platform (maple, granite, concrete, etc). Ground the speaker to the platform with cones (under speakers), then isolate the platform with innertubes or springs (under the platforms). Down side of innnertubes is you need to re-inflate them every few months, and some design consideration may be required to keep them from being "tippy."

Have fun experimenting, and tell us what worked for you...

Cheers,
Charlie
My theory. There are at least two issues to deal with. Draining vibration out of the speaker or isolating the speaker from the floor.

Each is helpful in it's own way. But which is better depends on everything in the system.

If a speaker is inert enough on it's own, then isolating the speaker is better. This is because there is a feedback loop that exists between the speaker and the rest of the system. Draining vibration into the floor will send more vibration into the equipment via the floor.

On the other hand eliminating cabinet vibration by draining it out may work better on a speaker that isn't very inert.

Both methods can and will make an improvement, but I've found that isolation nets a more musical presentation to the music.

Spikes drain away mostly low frequencies, so spikes on a suspended wooden floors may cause you to lose bass to the floor.

Cones and granite, especially BDR cones tend to reflect vibration back into the speaker. (I'm not saying the overall sound didn't improve with their use).

But the use of Aurios, Stillpoints, Darumas, Vibrapods, HAL Tenderfoots not only eliminated some cabinet vibration, but isolated the speaker from the floor.
The result was not only much more low level resolution, but the presentation and spacial cues sound more believable. BDR cones and other cones flatten the soundstage by comparison.

Putting Vibrapods on BDR "those things" or granite made the use of BDR and granite more musical.

(Caveat: I'm a Stillpoints & Daruma dealer, but utilize all the above mentioned products when appropriate)
I like the Symposium Roller something under my speaker. But, I got the BDR cones under them now since I only have one set of the Roller something.