Philips 1000 vs 963 for 2 channel. Which one ?


i am in between a phillips 963 and the philips 1000.

from what i have gathtered the 1000 is a better built machine despite a noisy drawer.

how do the two compare on redbook ? the unit would be only for 2 channel playback.

i have heard the 963 and it is a great sounding unit but the construction leaves little to be desired.

any input would be appreciated.

thanks !!

mike
mikesinger
I just got my check in the mail today from my refund. I sent mine in for service on 4/22 & never heard back until today. I guess they don't have any parts?!?
"Both players had Virtual Dynamics cryoed PC and were somehow broken in_963 has 50 hours, 1000 way more. "

Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you could explain this statement to me. I am not familiar with some of the terms you have used. Thanks for your time. Jason
Philips SACD 1000(I still own but will be selling) is not that great a CD player. It has a smooth coherent presentation but lacks transparency and speed. It can be a bottleneck for certain systems. The SACD is a step below the sony 999es (i also own) but still good. It is great as a mod platform because of built. 963 is better on redbook due to upsampling and it's a better DVD player with the Faroudja chip.
I suggest 9000ed or 999es for a music weighted sys..
I sold my 9000es to buy the 963...the 963 offers superior cd/sacd and video.

There are many current and previous owners of both the 1000 and 963 at www.audioasylum.com and all seem to prefer the 963 in all playback modes including sacd.
No comparison should be done until at least 150 hours of sacd playback imho.
A lot of 1000 owners paid 4-500.00 for there player new, but the 9000 es went from 12-1500.00 new and is inferior to the 963 in all respects except build quality.
I thought the 963 to be a lightly polished turd sonically. No bass, lacks prat, upsampling was gimmicky and synthetic sounding, build quality not something I could live with. Great for the $360? Sure, nothing to brag about in the grand scheme of things, however. The SACD1000 isn't a gem either, redbook can be summed up in one word: Blah. Very uninvolving, boring, even in my system although SACD was much, much better. I would give both machines a C+ rating. SACD/CD machines from Marantz I feel walk all over the Philips and Sony offerings on all fronts. It stumps me that people get excited about products from sony and philips when a company like Marantz is making machines that are of consistent higher quality yet never get any press for whatever reason.

If you have to have a DVD/SACD/CD player with a focus on 2ch music, go for a Sony 9000ES with an external dac, it makes a much better transport then the 999es, and from the horses mouth, is a better transport then the PS Audio Lambda dedicated transports. Just my experience, others experiences clearly vary....