Low price, quality cables for avalon ,CAT, shindo

Do you consider Avalon, CAT and Shindo to be low cost, quality components? I don't.
I guess my point is I believe in total system balance. I would no sooner put low price cables in the system then I would hook a low price amp up to a Shindo preamp. It just doesn't make sense. In either case you will not get the full performance that the Shindo is capable of.
Sure, I could buy more expensive components if I used zip cord to hook them up, but what would be the point? I know some guys take it too far (IMHO), and have systems where the cables cost more than the equipment, but a properly balanced system will sound better than a bunch of expensive pieces thrown together. I know $$$ and quality are not always tied together, but I have to wonder if you'd hook up your Shindo and CAT to some Paradigm bookshelf speakers.

Yes, the Jade website is poor and not up to date. J.D is also not the quickest to respond, and yes, he is a friend of mine. He is a small company, and has become 'friends' with most of the folks he comes in contact with. He has 'friends' who aren't even his customers. Sound and friendship are seperate entities though. I have many friends, but I don't always agree with what they call good sound. I have become friends with other manufacturers and dealers, but I'm not a schill. I told you about Jade because they are the best cables I've heard, and I have heard more expensive ones too. If they are too expensive for you, then so be it. There certainly are many less expensive cables out there to choose from. I apologize for recommending them, as you did say low cost. I just looked at you equipment list and made the mistaken impression that you wanted to do your gear some sort of justice.

No hard feelings. I see that you are new here, and it takes time to learn how to properly assemble a system. Simply throwing together a bunch of famous components rarely gets the job done right. Just as a carefully selected, strongly bonded team will usually outperform an All-Star team.

Cheers,
John

10 years ago, when I got back into hifi, I bought watt/puppies and a krell amp/preamp/cd player. Thought i was the cat's meow. Tried a couple of interconnects for about 20 minutes... basically heard no difference, but, I did hear speaker cable differences, and at the time Transparent was the Wilson cable of preference and bought some supers, in part, because I was told it was a good system match, and they seemed a LITTLE better. Got some less expensive Transparent cables for interconnects, still have em around. Tried an expensive power cable for the amp, (realtively, 300 bucks) and thought it was a waste of money.

Fast forward past a home theater with Watt/Puppies, a second living room system with Watt/Puppies, Alto Be's and now MBL101e's. 5 or 6 CESs, 100 stereophile mags, and a few different dealers. I have to go through 7, yes 7 different pairs of speaker cables. Then I end up going through 3 power conditioners, and 5 different interconnects, and I may still try one or two more. I think, as I have listened more critically, as I have had more disposal income, and maybe, as I have been more desensitized to the prices of cabling, I actually have spent more time listening to the different interconnects, than I had to in order to choose the 101s. And then, I tried a power cord of all things on my Meitner cd player, that actually made a relatively large difference... shocked the hell out of me!

I am not really sure why now, I hear such big differences in so many different things, I still have found ICs to make the least difference, speaker wires to make the most, but I no longer laugh at anything anybody hears.. or doesn't hear. I know when I bought my first watt/puppies, that was so expensive I didn't want to hear crap about multi-thousand dollar cables, the dealer may have lost the sale at that point. Now, I want to hear system synergy, I want to have it all flow, and although I abhor the prices of cables.... I have sadly spent the money to optimize my system.

So I stand by my original post... I don't use them anymore, but for a decently made, reasonably performing cable, at a relatively inexpensive pricepoint, although a little grainy compared to the best I have heard, I find ProSilway IIs and Magic Woofer Harmonix cables to be excellent performers.

AND, used, you can get 2pr of ICs and speaker cables for what? somewhere between 1000-1500..
Cheers,
Chris

@ Chrisla : thanx for your post, really intresting.
What have made me doubtfull is that I have compared 2000$ cables to 30 000$ Transparent and heard difference BUT no improvment, you see what I mean ?

I will try other listening session....

@ Jmcgrogan2 : you say : "Do you consider Avalon, CAT and Shindo to be low cost, quality components? I don't.
I guess my point is I believe in total system balance. I would no sooner put low price cables in the system then I would hook a low price amp up to a Shindo preamp. It just doesn't make sense. In either case you will not get the full performance that the Shindo is capable of."

I agree with you, i just need to know where is the good balance between price a REAL benefit.

After that you say "I apologize for recommending them, as you did say low cost. I just looked at you equipment list and made the mistaken impression that you wanted to do your gear some sort of justice."

Don't apologize, it will be path to follow in the future, but i'm not ready for this path now.

Finally you said "I see that you are new here, and it takes time to learn how to properly assemble a system. Simply throwing together a bunch of famous components rarely gets the job done right. "

Come'on ! I spent month in listening session to find my speakers and my preamp so your arrogance is not welcome.
The only risk that i have taken is for my amp.
Don't lecture me please.

I understand that my post on the credibility of your advices was unpolite, but seriously when you see the website it is quite scary.

Hey guys, look at this :

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/auditorium23/23.html

Auditorium 23 speakers cables used with SHINDO, what is the price ????

$880 for 2.5 meters.

So maybe there is in fact a way (not the only one, but one) to use relatively inexpensive cables with GREAT result with shindo products...

They are sold by Tone Import (importator of shindo in USA) on their website : "Keith Aschenbrenner began experiments in the early 90's to find a suitable speaker cable to work with his then new line of electronics Shindo Laboratory"

Maybe i'm not so dumb and incompetent in my will to find inexpensive cable which can deliver great result with my system.

What seems unwise to me (not dumb) is to purchase cables based solely on recommendation and review without first listening to them and comparing them to other cables in your system over a period of time.

BTW there are many- read many cables at the 800 to 1200 dollar price point that might cause you to re-think your stance on how cables do or do not contribute to the sound of your system.