TT to another room, no vibs, better sounds?



Hi All,

A few years ago I thought I'd build a Turntable that is still about a year from being finished. The thought was mass is where it's at. If it's heavy it will take more energy to get it excited and vibrate.

After I picked up a few thousands dollars in parts my machinist asked me what I was trying to accomplish. My response was," The heavier it was the less it would vibrate."

He said, " Take it out of the vibrational environment and save money." I can do that soon and wonder if anyone else had the same thought and realized a cost effective improvement instead of spending more money on a better TT.

"Out of the mouthes of babes," Your thoughts,

ken
kftool
Balanced helps with noise rejection, but does not necessarily mean resolution will not be affected by the length, IMO.
I'll make a pair of Belden Quad Star Mongani pair with Neutrik cables and do a comparison when I get back home. My Lamm ML 2.1 amps are SE but do have non recommended balance inputs. Still, I'm willing to give it a try.
Gerrym5

I mentioned the Belden cables because---.

I don't believe in single ended terminations, in or out unless they're is no other
choice. SE cables are fine if they're short!

SE cables are inherently more prone to noise and interference. Balanced cables shield both leads and the Mogami design incorporates three shields.

SE cables are OVERPRICED!

Balanced cables give you a 6db boost in level over SE cables, a plus.

Hardees Chicken biscuits are great if you have them butter both sides of the biscuit.
JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION!!

The studios that record the music we listen to didn't use cables that cost $1,000 per meter. The GREAT recordings we revere from the golden years of audio were recorded on the same high end cable that my Altec M11 mikes used $.20 per ft in 1956.

Eight years ago I bought 1,400 feet of the best Belden Quad star Mogami cable they made at $1,60 per ft. It was the cable that was most used in studios and sound stages world wide and not because it was cheap; it was the most expensive cable Belden made except for that which was re wrapped with with special color covers for secondary sellers, AKA the cable barons.

Enough said about my personal preferences as I've probably made a few enemies that sell the, IMHO, high priced SE cables, but maybe it just my 68 years old ears!

Ken


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Cables over priced!?! No, really? :-) :-) Those same high priced SE cables you refer to all seem to have an even pricier balanced option. It is not the topology that people are willing to pay for. People who spend big bucks on cables do so for the way they perceive the cable to sound. Not because it is SE or XLR.

Any reasonably made SE cable will do just fine to about 25', but even then it is more dependent on the capacitance of the cable and the loads at either end of the cable. So, yes I would agree that doing long runs with SE may be trickier. I'm not an expert and I have forgotten most of what I learned on transmission line theory in school. But I have retained enough to know that while balanced design does have the benefit of noise rejection, this does not automatically translate into better micro/macro dynamics, resolution, inner detail. Whatever we chose to call it.

I have tried balanced components before, but I have gotten the best performance in my system with SE components. Does that make me think there is something inherently wrong with balanced topology? Absolutely not. As with any system it is the sum of the parts that determine the end results.