Vpi vs. TW Acustic

OK,I understand how you guys can feel....Yet,my experiences in the hobby really have nothing to do with any of my own personal opinions here.To insult me by claiming you know my agenda is absurd.

I think I gave enough design emphasis to my other choices.Do some home work yourself to determine if the other designs are better.

I'll happily stick to my statements,made previously!Attempting to figure out if I had a hidden agenda is total baloney!

A design will either stand up to what is out there or not.If there are better,lower cost designs that I feel are better,I'm certainly allowed to mention them.

There are some folks who like getting a better mouse trap for less cash.

The objective was "solely" to give exposure to better,lower cost designs!....They happen to exist btw!

And why does it have to come off as "bashing",just because my emphasis is on better designs,for less money?I never said the Raven was crap.I believe I said it sounded good!

Btw,I've been around the block with "many" competitive products too...Hands ON!I've most likely owned as many as you have as well.That should give me the ability to make a judgement here.I don't claim to be an expert,but a person with a little knowledge of some things.If I can point some folks in a direction and save them some money,what so bad?

If you own a Raven,be thrilled.Good for you!

You have to understand that anyone is entitled to their own opinion,and psychoanalysis of an agenda(like DGAD's of me) is just a copout ,IMO....You can put whatever spin on it that makes you happy,but there is some mightily good designs around for alot less dosh!

At the very least,it gives me the right to express my own thoughts,and if you are happy with whatever you own that is great as far as I'm concerned.Do you honestly think I care what someone owns?Be happy with whatever you are comfortable with!

One thing for sure....don't try to analyze my agenda!You don't know me,or my experiences.

I have only respect for the body of Audiogon members,but I know a few things which allow me to express my personal opinion...for whatever reason!

The bottom line is(and I did mention this)just look at the white papers offered by other competitive mfgrs(Basis has some great ones)....

Make a decision based on common sense and what seems to be the most plausible design....That was actually my point,originally.....Yet ruffling feathers on this forum is not uncommon....I'll walk on egg shells in the future.

Perrew, your questions are very relevant, though perhaps better served in another tread. I know your considering the cart in question, please feel free to contact me, via email or better yet a phone call. Your underlying premise is correct though, I can only determine the cart did not sound good on my arm, and table. Though, in my personal vinyl hierarchy, the spinner is a DISTANT third after cart being one and arm being second. Regrading cart break in, NO component or cart has every "broke in" enough, if my first impression was not VERY favorable. IMO carts do tend to get more spacious sounding after some hours, however, I feel the tonal character remains fairly constant, though the VTF and VTA settings change throughout its life, to accomplish this.

David

Sirspeedy, thanks for the response. Would you be willing to share SPECIFIC details about your recent comparisons amongst these products you speak about that helped you come to these value and design opinions? Thanks in advance.

Dlanselm, I agree and will contact you directly regarding the cart.
I think its interesting that you consider spinner distant third. I have read your blog and followed your evolvement from Brinkmann and on to now Raven, I think it gives credibility to your choice I also know Dgad bought his Raven very long before it got the "flavour of the month" sticker that some seems to give it.

Dlanselm,sorry but I've learned my lesson!I'm done on the subject.

It's kinda like I called someone's kid ugly.No intention to purposely ridicule anyone's choices.Only to mention my thoughts on better/less costly designs,as how they might relate to this product.....IMO.

I mean,the original thread "does" ask a valid question!!

It does not mitigate the fact that the Raven is a well liked and good product.Maybe just not my cup of tea.

As for any "history" I may have had previously in the hobby/industry....that is totally irrelevent to the subject.Believe me,nobody would benefit from my going "there".

Including the folks cluing some into my agenda!!!!!

I'd rather stick to the specific subject,regarding viable design,and my "opinion" on the VPi's or any other stuff.

Btw,just for the heck...The Oracle Delphi is a fabulous design,and gorgeous to behold.Not a bad choice if one is interested in saving a few bucks,with alot of bang for the cash outlay.It has been around for awhile and represents a very well thought out design....

NO,I'm not going to give a dissertation on why I believe it "is" so,and offer comparisons.Check it out!

Whether I am in,or out of the hobby....

Would a retired athelete be less able to analyze his sport? After four decades of involvement.Hmm?

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