Schitt Yggdrasil More is Better


I have the latest (2023) Yggdrasil Less is More and I love it on my office system. The office has the Magnepan LRS+ speakers and a slightly warm DAC works nicely.

In my Livingroom, I am looking for a bit less warmth from the DAC (and amp). Has anyone heard the new Yggdrasil More is Better? I was planning on spending a bit of coin on a DAC, but I now realize that I can get better bang for my buck with an amp upgrade instead. I am thinking of the soon to be updated CODA System 150 amp.

I base this conclusion on the quality of the LIM DAC. I think getting better than this DAC is either diminishing returns or just another flavor. So, I am wondering how the LIM compares to the MIB? 

Anyone using the MIB and what gear are you pairing it with? I need to sell some gear to raise the cash for a DAC, so before I sell anything and do a 14-day home trial, I wanted to see what people are using the MIB with and the level of happiness. 

 

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I get the more money gets you a better DAC point of view. However, I should preface that statement by saying the DAC I had before the LIM cost $15k and I think the $2.2k LIM sounds better. Both were slightly warm, so I think an apples-to-apples comparison. The LIM had a better top end and more detail.

I actually own the PlayBack Designs proprietary fibre streamer. The plan was to buy the PBD Dream DAC ($24k), designed by Andreas Koch, to use with the PBD Stream-IF.  I now feel that money is better spent on an amp, and I have the PBD Stream-IF up for sale.

As I stated earlier, the LIM is so good on my slightly bright speaker. I did some research on Schitt and the people that design their DACs. Mike Moffet has got a very strong reputation when it comes to digital, similar to Andreas Koch.

That is why I want to hear feedback about the Schitt MIB DAC. If it can sound great like the LIM but this time on a slightly warm speaker, then I will use that $24k on the CODA amp instead. Not saying the LIM or MIB is better than the PBD Dream DAC. I just feel the amps bring more to the table given a very competent DAC, at least with my gear.

 

 

 

Schitt MIB is isn’t a huge step away from the LiM sound, but it is slightly less dark, more detail, more open and airy on the top - you would consider it an upgrade, but perhaps not ‘night and day’. Consider it an evolution and slight step up of what you already have. Cheap upgrade though if you can buy and fit the board to your existing DAC.

@gavin1977 I am not going to change the LIM since it works so nicely with the LRS+ speakers in my office. 

The goal is to buy a second DAC and what you described above is the sound signature that I think is missing with my Livingroom speaker when paired with the LIM.

I’m always surprised when people say the Schitt Yggdrasil LIM is warm sounding.  I always felt the opposite.  It is one of the early versions of LIM #148.  My system is a very detailed system consisting of the ET LFT-8b speakers w/upgraded crossover parts, Custom all hand wired Cary Audio SLP-05 w/Mundorf MCap Supreme EVO Silver/Gold coupling caps, some custom made 125WPC Cary SLAM-100 dual-mono amps (w/Teflon VCaps) each with separate PS’s.  No slouch of a system  

The Yggdrasil was so thin and bright in my system that I had to do a ton of mods to it to make it sound smoother and cleaner before I could really enjoy it.  Lots of digital and analog PS upgrades, upgraded the 5 (each analog board) Wima caps to Rel-Cap polystyrene cube caps, which made a huge difference (cleaner, smoother) and chassis damping, and a few other things.  Took me a few months of going through it until I got to where I could live with it and now love it.  Before I did the mods I listened to it for a few months and then slowly made the mods over time.  Previously I just thought it sounded thin, hard and a bit grainy. Now it’s fuller, the bass is much stronger and fuller, the highs are smooth and clean and the midrange is now fuller sounding.  Way more textures to vocals so they actually sound more like real voices.  I thought cymbals were terrible on it previously.  Very crashy, hashy, grainy sounding.  
It’s not like I haven’t had other decent DAC’s either that sounded fine.  The best I’ve had in the system to test out was a Cary DMS-700 which sounded pretty good.  

I’m really happy with LIM now.  I remember reading that it was a warm sounding DAC’s and thought, huh?  I use everything in balanced mode and the preamp has standard 100K inputs.  I don’t know if the difference  in my listening is a matter of taste or system.  As I said I do have a very fast, alive, detailed system. 
Anybody else found the LIM to be too thin sounding?