What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?


Once in awhile, I hear the term 'this amp is more musical' for some amps. To describe sound, I know there is 'imaging' and 'sound stage'. What exactly is meant by 'more musical' when used to describe amp?

dman777

"Musicality" in any system vary a bit with variation of the parameters which are numerous, electrical, mechanical and acoustical and also which are related to the gear design and not only to the way we embed it ...

Then if the gear amplifier is not "musical" by design with the recognized harmonic pleasing effect missing to begin with , no electrical or mechanical or acoustical work will change it ... I take atmasphere point in this way ...But at the end musicality is the well balanced sums of many factors , which are not of equal importance for everyone at the same degree... Then in this sense taste matter or taste there is for sure ...

But at the end musicality is a subjective perception objectively controlled by the various controls we can exercise on the three working dimensions and on the gear design by knowledge and new technology ...Nothing less nothing more...Then in this sense even if taste there is, just mere taste it is not ....

Musical is then and adjective which cannot be defined only subjectively nor with only a short set of electrical measures, it ask for psychoacoustics more deep knowledge and objective recognized factors as for the point raised by atamasphere about harmonics and distortion which is only a psychoacoustic fact ...

I dont understand why Raul dont accept this elementary fact ...

It seems psychoacoustics which is a deep science investigating sound qualities and doing so, transcend the separation between object and subject by putting them together in one or many experiment escape the understanding of some  objectivist as well as  some subjectivist audiophiles ...

Anyway i wish to all a warm christmas... 🎄

 

You insist on the same " technical " terms and yes volume is comething we learned and it's our taste who defines the kind of volume we like.

@rauliruegas This isn't what I was talking about nor is what I asked about. The question I asked above has a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

Engineer types explaining musicality.

Like Sherwin-Williams explaining Rembrandt. 

Read Keats aloud and get back to me

 

I read poetry...And for those who love poetry as me this fact, does not nullify the other facts, and it does not means that in audio "musicality ", for a musician, a designer, and acoustician or an audiophile, does not implies acoustics and mechanical and electrical parameters controls of the system/room and even the use of psychoacoustics parameters of the design "musicality" as explained by atmasphere about harmonics and "distortion" ...And it also implies our own heart feelings listening music and our brain acoustic biases history too .... As Michelangelo designing architecture implies these objective knowledge and his subjective feeling and perceptive history in his master pieces ...

Now if we means "musicality" in music , as a musician, a designer and an acoustician or as a music lover it is related first to the heart feelings and the brain biases history but also in second to the acoustics parameters and to our brain acoustic biases history...Any pianist test the piano objective health before playing and the acoustic Hall value before playing if he can ...

In the two cases the objective and subjective factors meet together in the same individual body/brain , mine for example when i optimize my system, listening a quartet music to test it and first appreciate the musical results in the two aspects acoustical and musical in my room for my heart as in classical or jazz music .....

i pick my gear pieces by statistical reviews impressions and then i optimize it in my room/system .. I cannot review it in a showroom with different pieces, different room than mine anyway...my taste has little to do with the gear choices ...I use subjective reviews and objective parameters to evaluate a possible synergy.. ... The rest is a failed or succeeding optimization and embedding process where for sure my acquired and innate biases play a great role , call them my taste if you want , but i use mainly mechanical, electrical and acoustical facts to test my gear with my "taste" .........

Then attacking the motives of an engineer as atmasphere with his understanding of music or poetry is beside the point made ...I presume atmasphere love classical music and jazz ...He seems to know psychoacoustics at least ...That matter a lot ...

 

As said the great mathematician Alexander Grothendieck, also a poet : «Nothing really important can be proved ». this sentence this maxim was aimed not only for mathematics but for anything in life ...

The second greatest mathematician of the century perhaps , Cantor , wrote that « the essence of Mathematics is pure freedom and creativity »..

Now take these two sentences together to understand what they means together...

They means that in mathematics as in life some deep problem cannot be solved in the past paradigm, as the parallell postulate , or the question of the actual infinite, for example , we must them not trying to solve the problem with a demonstration and a proof which are not possible anyway; in the opposite we must create first a new world to SHOW the hidden value of these problems as Cantor did , as Lobatchevsky or Bolyai did ...

It was no more a mere proof mechanism in a known world first but the heart feeling and the mind feeling about a new world , a new conceptual scheme living as an organism in the spirit of any genius; then first and last more a perception than a logical proof ...

Then even in mathematics the feeling and the concepts play together , as in acoustic, and as in music understanding, or as in any human endeavor ...

Pure reactive subjective romantism or pure objective materialism are blind alleys, the spiritual takes over the body and the heart together ... As illustrated by Goethe or William Blake in very different ways ...

 

We cannot prove God exist or anything of real value as love or Beauty, or musical or mathematical truth; but we can create a world for us together where these ca be perceived ...

 

«Any fact need a world where it is possible for it to exist»-- Anonymus Sherlock Holmes reader 🕵️‍♀️

«All trees dont grow above sand»-- Anonymus botanist

Then in "musical", taste there is, acquired and innate;but it is not about taste...It is also about truth ...

I think that atmasphere is nearer Rembrandt in his craftmanship than to the mechanical recipe of Sherwin-Williams paint colors...If you do not think so, then it is better to buy a cheap chinese  made product, so good it could be, i dont think it will rival atmasphere craftmanship in class d or in tubes design ... 

 

Engineer types explaining musicality.

Like Sherwin-Williams explaining Rembrandt.

Read Keats aloud and get back to me

Engineer types explaining musicality.

@jpwarren58 Yeah, sometimes we engineering types do that.

It probably helps to correlate engineering to the rules of human hearing,  combined with actually playing real instruments. Some engineers do this and others are only by the book.

What I'm saying is that you can design for good specs or design to best honor the rules of human hearing. SET guys know what I'm talking about, although personally I think SETs fall short of the mark.