Do hi-end DACs offer true value or diminishing return...


These two hi-fedelity recordings posted on Youtube allow one to audition the state-of-the-art, highly raved R2R DACs with values ranging from $850 all the way to $6,500. Please use headphone or, play back to your stereo system if you think your system is revealing enough. The question to ask to yourself is that the true hi-end (w/ high price tag) gears offer you true values or just a diminishing-return foolproof. In my system, I do hear the differences but, to me, the differences might not be that significant to justify the luxious spending. Maybe my system is not revealing enough.  Maybe the recording quality through the on-line broadcasting degrades.  How about you? Do you hear major differences? 

Terminator Plus ($6.5k), Venus II ($3k)

Terminator $4.5k, Ares II ($850)

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2019 Grammy best engineering award was given to three engineers Shawn Murphy et al. for Shostakovich: Symphonies Nos. 4 & 11 performed by Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by Andris Nelsons. You could see how the multiple microphones of different types were placed in the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8hF_NVqCtg

Beethoven sym. 9 performed by Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Riccardo Muti also used multiple microphones of different types. There must be good reasons behind why the award winning recording engineering project and famous symphone orchestra performance uses multimiking.

Well no way I'm spending that much on something that just does ones and zeros so I'm going over to ASR and feel better.  

All dacs sound different like all cable may sound different, all amplifiers too...

But It is related also to their synergy together...

But there is a diminushing return ZONE...Not a point...

This ZONE is determined in his area by the subjective appreciation of your system synergy with the dac and the objective qualities of the dac design in itself...This zone area is a ratio in your OWN audio history ...

The dac technology being mature, it is useless to invest in costly dac instead of investing in a complete new technology IF YOUR DAC IS ALREADY GOOD : try BACCH filters or a new upgrade amplifier or speakers or headphone with the same money ...

But everything that i say dont apply to people with an unlimited budget...My rule dont apply to them... 😊

I spoke about sound quality for the average folk... My basic system is 700 bucks and i cannot fault it on any acoustic count... Is there better system? yes... I dont need them because the ratio S.Q. /price is linked to this diminushing return zone in my own audio journey...My only possible REAL upgrade, not a side upgrade , will be BACCH filters... And my systwem is already so good i can even live with it as it is... Not bad for the price i paid ... And dont think that i may be deaf and not a so refined listener, i tuned my room myself and i can HEAR very well for my age window,,,

Anybody with no budget limit can buy a 500,000 bucks system....Very easy to do...A child can do it if he can sign a check...😁

It does not impress me ... I prefer the game : what is the best at the least price and how do i learned how to create a top system for peanuts ...

I winned at this game...And i know why...

If you never learned basic acoustic you CANNOT know how nor know why...If you did not know how to optimize your system embeddings controls, You can only own a 500,000 bucks system , thats all... Thats dont impress me...

And acoustic experience is not related to price tag at all... Sorry for the dude who own a 500,000 system that sound not so much  better that the price may suggest...

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My post is written for normal people with not much money who dream about Hi-FI ...I want to say it is possible at low cost but with studies and some thinking...

 

Today $700 can be spent wisely to attain a hi-fi bookshelf stereo system. A good example is like:

- Wharfedale Diamond 225, $280

- Smsl Ao200, $223, (50wpc 8Ω, 90wpc 4Ω, 150wpc 2Ω; 2 German Infineon class
D chips)

- Schiit Modius DAC, $230 including shipping

With corrected room acoustic, this combo will render rich tembre (Schiit house sound), decent soundstage and nimble low ends. Around this price range, the increasing return can be substantial imho.