When Will the DAC Singularity Be Reached?


A humorous title, but wondering if those more in the know have an opinion on either: i) examples today where inexpensive DACs (say under $2500) are comparable or superior to expensive (say over $10K) DACs or ii) can we anticipate that within a relatively few number of years that inexpensive DACs will basically achieve the sound quality of today's expensive DACs? Thanks. 

mathiasmingus

@creativepart ,

You are reading into what I wrote what you want to think, not what I said.

Imagine being in a room, the left wall is one shade of blue. The right wall is a different shade of blue. You can see the shades and clearly identify them as different. I now lower the lights. It will get harder and harder for you to tell the two walls are different until at some point you cannot tell that the walls are two different shades. If I keep lowering the light, at some point you will not even be able to clearly identify walls. I could have started with red and green walls and at some point you will not be able to tell they are different colours.

Why do you readily accept a very finite and limiting range for your sight, but insist on an infinite range for your hearing?

I acknowledge DACs can sound different and I even discussed preference in filters. How can you interpret that as black and white and not seeing greys?  I accept, as it is reasonable, that just like there is finite range for our sight, there is finite range for our hearing. For that reasonable reason, I am skeptical that it takes a large sum of money, to make a DAC that exceeds the range of our hearing. If it does, DAC vendors are doing a poor job of proving their case.

What I don't understand is why some are so attached to this idea that to get the basic function right, it must take a lot of money?  Filters, tube output stages, and I am sure many more ways exist to create a differentiated sound. Attractive cases, nice displays, added functionality. So many ways to differentiate your product. Why the need to insist getting the basics right is expensive?

Yes. Basic high-quality dacs are already here.

and I'm with the Canuck and w @nonoise with his Technics suggestion.

 

 

othercrazycanuck

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I had a Lampizator through here for a while, model 7 if I remember, it had a noticeable sound to it. It was not my thing. I have had a Mola Mola Tambaqui in my system which some claim is one of the best DACs made, but both standalone and fed from the Lyngdorf digital output, could I honestly say it sounded better or even different compared to my other DACs? No, and I really wanted to 🤗. I liked the way it looked. Had a PS audio in system for a few weeks too. Was fun to play with the filters. They sounded different. But then it just felt like work so I left it on the basic one, which was the best anyway.

I am inclined to explore these filters again. I hear you can accomplish the effect in Roon. Would save me getting up and hitting buttons.

Cin Dyment: we both know very well you never owned such DACs. You don’t own any audio system. Maybe in your rhetoric trolling the audiophiles you hate so much, lies.

By the way, which PS Audio DAC had filters you could change by getting up and pressing buttons on it? Enlighten me. You clearly never owned any PS Audio DAC. Or Tambaqui Mola-Mola. Or Lampi. It’s all made up stuff, usual from you.

For others here who read this, I am posting a list of your previous Audiogon usernames, all banned. By no means not all inclusive, as I may have missed some. This time around I spotted you in the 6th post and same day you “joined” 😂. I am sure you so my post calling you out the other day in the big Amir’s propaganda thread

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