Old days & steamers vs newer stuff?


Given that there are a ton of variables depending on speakers and other equipment. What are the generalities in comparing? something like...

1) an old blusound node 2i with an ayre codex dac

2) lumin d2 for dac & streamer

3) node 2i with giselli labs dac

Basically,  I'm asking if you think expensive old dac and streamers (lumen, node, ayre codex) still beat out the newer cheaper stuff like denafrips ares, gishelli labs, etc.

I want to improve my setup, but I'm not sure if used older higher end stuff is better than newer mid end stuff.

Quality improvements over time can often yield a newer less expensive product that is superior to older high end items.

Whatcha think in this regard when it comes to dacs and streamers?

Newest tech one can afford, or highest end used stuff one can find?

128x128labguy

@labguy

I saw you are leaning between the unison and the forte. If you get both you can use the unison with your yamaha amp and the forte in another room with a separate pair of speakers. Play-fi is designed similar to Sonos so you can use whole house. I own the Forte amp too and it sounds like Martin Logan speakers, HUGE soundstage. Here is my review:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/martin-logan-forte-amp-review

@kota1 will spotify on my phone allow me to diectly connect to the unison like it's a wifi device/speaker, or do I have to use dts play fi to hear spotify on the unison?

@labguy , yes you can connect directly to the unison with spotify. Just open spotify and connect the same way you would with any other device, no need to open the playfi app.

I am interested in the Unison..  I have 3 systems in my house.  The basement system is surround sound.  It doesn’t currently have a streamer since a Bluesound Node died about a year ago, except for anApple TV.  The ATV will only play compressed files and it won’t recognize my Melco N100 server that Feeds the other two systems.  Otoh I don’t really wish to do much in the way of 2 channel streaming down there, but every now and then I get the urge.  So I don’t want to spend much there.  I already use an Anthem AVR with ARC down there so I assume it would just be plug and play.

  My reservation is Play Fi.  Before the Pandemic I bought a Arcam streamer that used Play Fi.  It didn’t work for anything besides Internet Radio.  It was unable to interface with my server which at the time was a popular Synology model that worked fine with other streamers  Both Arcam and PlayFi did not respond to CS inquiries, so I was never able to nail down the culprit, and wound up returning the streamer within the allotted time window.  The lack of any response from Play Fi was most troubling.  That was several years ago and perhaps they have better CS now but as I type this the whole unpleasant experience is coming back to me and I think I have talked myself out of buying the Unison..

  I would be interested in hearing the experiences of others besides @kota1 who have purchased this unit, or anyone who uses PlayFi