Hum on Tube Amp - Can't find source


I have a hum (60hz) I can hear on my speakers and it happens with my tube monoblocks (either of them).  With or without interconnects, it even happens on either amp (have tried one at a time) with every circuit on the house tripped/disconnected, every other component disconnected from the wall (including the Internet/CaTV line) and no interconnects.  

One amp has it as soon as it warms up whereas the other one is intermittent.

Hum X doesn't solve it, iFi Ground defender either, AVA HumDinger on powerline  doesn't solve it either.

I have replaced the tubes and both amps were just tested at the factory.  Replaced the circuit breaker, tightened every wire on the breaker box, checked and cleaned all connections to ground rod.  Added a hum eliminator to the internet line.

Hum cycles a bit with the tube glow matching the cycles.

I'm waiting on the power company to come check the power coming to the house.

Thoughts?

ervikingo
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Here’s some highlights from the jea48 linked Tubes Asylum discussion:

-check the bias as they power up, and let them settle in for a bit (like 20 mins) for a final check.

-do not buy new tubes for hi-fi amps from guitar tube suppliers. Buy them from hi-fi tube dealers. Tubes (even matched quartets) sold by most guitar outlets are specially selected to distort early (low transcoductance tubes), therefore they run out of bias adjustment pretty quickly on a HI-Fi amp and there goes another tube!

-Manley has checked out the amps (one of them twice) and says there isn’t anything wrong with them.

-I have one Snapper that has been back to the shop once. It seems to be holding its own ok in terms of not blowing tubes. The other amp is a different story. It just came home from its second trip to the shop and after two hours of use, blew its B+ fuse and two of the tubes, separating the center post of the two tubes from the tubes themselves.

-Try plugging the monoblocks directly into the wall outlet and check the bias to see if you have better bias stability (bypassing any power conditioners).

-When you pull output tubes in and out on a regular basis, we have a tendency to stretch out the tube pins and even can cause tiny stress cracks on circuit board..Now this leaves you with low bias or intermittent bias or no bias voltage many times therefore causing tubes to burn up. I don’t know how much technical knowledge you have on this kind of stuff, but I would re-solder the tube socket connections and tighten the pins inside the sockets or even replace the sockets with better ones

-Manley’s have not-so-good sockets in them.

-yanking tubes in and out of both amps, he could very well have bad sockets in both or loose solder connections at the very least

-We are rebiasing the amps each time we replace the tubes. We recheck the bias every few hours and the amps have never held bias well. We are terrified of damaging the output transformers, power supplies, speakers, and everything else. My husband and I have been audio enthusiasts for almost 30 years and the hobby is becoming more stressful than fun with the problems we have had with these amps. We have spent many thousands of dollars (money we don’t have) replacing tubes by the octet since we bought the amps, not to mention the shipping back to Manley.

 

 

Monday morning update.  I couldn't wait for the "good tubes" to come for testing.  I ordered one from Amazon (overnight delivery!) and the noise is completely gone.  Its scary quiet!

I ordered new 7044 as one of them is not up to par (still some noise).  I moved the 12 AT7 from one amp to the other and there was noise on the other amp; moved the 7044 from the quiet amp to the other and the noise is gone.

Huge lessons learned:

- there are a lot of enthusiasts out here who are willing to help

- @atmasphere is an awesome resource 

- start with the basics; I have spent weeks and $$$ chasing after the noise and never thought to check if the prior owner had used the proper tubes

I'll post again once both 7044 and 12AX7 have been replaced with the 12AT7.

Please accept my most sincere thanks for your help (and for the humor...  trolling with the motorboating sound...!)