Hyperacusis. Looking for recommendations


Hello everyone. Haven't posted to the forums in years but certainly been buying up all sorts of things lately. Ordered an Angstrom Stella amp that should be here next week. While the audio bug has reignited, unfortunately, so has my inability to actually enjoy music the way many of you might. If you are unfamiliar with Hyperacusis, it is the over-sensitivity to sound. Anything and everything can get very loud and sometimes painful. Sometimes it messes with my head so much I wind up half way ill for a few days. So, of course I haven't "turned it up" or anything. I've refined the DSP output through Roon to level out the peaks that really drive me nuts. However, the problem still lies within the overall mixing of most music. There's a reason things simply sound better when you do turn it up. Unfortunately, I don't get to experience that. 

So, I'm here to ask for assistance from you knowledgable folks on recommendations for speakers and, perhaps, amplifier combos that can still sound lively and engaging at low volumes (50-55dB, tops). Seems that speakers are going to be the main component at this stage so that why I posted here. But I'm looking for anything else that may be of help. While I'm typing, I thought that maybe electrostats might be a good way to go since they aren't point source (the spread would actually help I think). Hell, maybe those paired with the Angstrom would be a good fit? Maybe. Anyway. Trying not to write a book here. You get the picture. I've never tried to go the ultra-low volume route before so I don't know what would work well. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, folks!

tiggerfc

What are your other selection criteria, such as price, size, placement requirement/limitations, etc.?  The best systems for playing softly are quite large horn systems, but, most of the good ones are not commercial models, and they are quite expensive.  Some high efficiency systems also seem to be quite dynamic and would sound good at modest levels.  I like the Charney Companion systems for their ability to deliver a full and lively sound at modest levels.  Audio Note speakers are also a good choice because they sound full and rich at lower volume levels.

If you can find an old Quad 57 electrostatic system in good working order, that would be a good choice too.

Good luck on your search.

@tiggerfc, thanks for providing so much relevant information.

I’m always at least a little bit skeptical when a dealer suggests the speakers he sells, so I invite you to be more than a little bit skeptical of me.

Before I was a dealer, I bought a pair of big SoundLab curved-panel fullrange electrostats. This was in 1999. The only amplifier I had on hand was woefully underpowered, a bottom-of-the-line Adcom. The combination would not go much over conversational level, but the clarity and warmth and inner detail and timbral richness and bass articulation and spatial quality were all the best I had ever heard. I was so impressed that I changed careers and became a dealer.

These days I’ve added "loudspeaker manufacturer" to my resume’, but the SoundLabs are still the best speakers I know of at what they do well, and "what they do well" includes very low volume listening. In fact I have yet to hear their equal for very low volume listening. Many speakers which sound warm at medium and high volumes lose that at low volumes. At very low volume levels any midrange peaks tend to stick out moreso than at normal levels. This does not happen with SoundLabs. Their frequency response is incredibly smooth (the designer declines to post his data, but I have seen it in real time and it’s outstanding) so there are no peaks to stand out. The tonal balance remains the same as the volume level is turned down, to a greater degree than I have experienced with any other speaker, and this is one of the listening tests I do when seriously auditioning a speaker because it is predictive of long-term listening enjoyment.

The Sound Labs have a HUGE radiating area so there are no on-axis "hot spots" like with conventional speakers. At normal distances they behave like a line source, which means that the sound pressure level falls off by only 3 dB per doubling of distance, while for a conventional point-source speaker it’s 6 dB per doubling of distance. One result is that the sound field in the listening area "feels" like the sound field at a normal distance from a live performance. It’s a very different, and more natural, feeling compared to what you get with convention speakers.

One of my customers has (or "had", this was over a decade ago) a young son with a disability that makes it difficult for him to understand spoken words and virtually impossible for him to understand words over a sound system. With the SoundLabs his son was finally able to enjoy watching kids' movies and videos.

I think one of the reasons SoundLab speakers sound so natural is that their off-axis energy (including their backwave) has the same spectral balance as their first-arrival sound, so the reflections are welcome "signal" instead of unwelcome "noise". This enhances intelligibility and clarity (particularly at low levels) relative to conventional speakers, and contributes to their utter lack of listening fatigue.

SoundLabs can be had with either a 45-degree pattern width (front and back) or a 90-degree pattern width. For your application, I would suggest the 90-degree pattern width. This way more of the sound that reaches your ears will be lower-in-level reflected energy, so you would take in more sound energy for a given first-arrival sound pressure level.

Unfortunately SoundLabs are expensive, that’s just the nature of the beast, so they may not be a realistic option. If they are out of your price range then I do have an idea for a possible alternative, but it would be somewhat experimental.

Very best of luck in your quest.

Duke

dealer/manufacturer/SoundLab fanboy

Hyperacusis, Tinnitus, Hearing loss over 8k. I can’t do loud either. Makes

other people listening with you crazy. I keep foam earplugs and my Sony

headphones handy.

I do enjoy music as much as anyone. For me 70 dB is enough.

I do believe electrostatics give the best low level listening detail.

For my money the Sanders Sound electrostatic system beats all.

I have asked many people about the best low level speakers and

had no good answers so I can only pass on brands that I enjoy.

Stenheim, Borresen, Vimberg. MBL.

I think the sound agrees with me more on these brands because

they have so little distortion.

Love to hear what you end up with.

 

 

 

I am not sure how horns and other ultra efficient designs factor into things??

At 50-60dB one could have super inefficient speakers at 80dB/W/m and use a 1W amp and easily power them.

 

The other half also has some hyperacusis but speakers that are not overly bright do the trick and she likes the volume up for TV.
Any normal/typical sound bar drives her away.

Dynamics are a salient characteristic of horn-loaded speakers. Accordingly, electrostats are probably your best bet - as aptly mentioned above.

More importantly, I hope your condition improves and that meanwhile, you enjoy a few happy tunes!