What is it I'm failing to grasp?


I come across statements here and elsewhere by guys who say 1) their systems come very close to duplicating the experience of hearing live music and 2) that they can listen for hours and hours due to the "effortless" presentation.  

I don't understand how these two claims add up. In tandem, they are profoundly inconsistent with my experiences of listening to live music. 

If I think about concerts I consider the best I've witnessed (Oregon, Solas, Richard Thompson, SRV, Dave Holland Quintet, '77 G. Dead, David Murray, Paul Winter Consort), I would not have wanted any of those performances to have extended much beyond their actual duration.

It's like eating-- no matter how wonderfully prepared the food, I can only eat so much-- a point of satiation is reached and I find this to be true (for me) when it comes to music listening as well. Ditto for sex, looking at visual art, reading poetry or playing guitar. All of these activities require energy and while they may feel "effortless" in the moment, I eventually reach a point where I must withdraw from aesthetic simulation.

Furthermore, the live music I've heard is not always "smoothly" undemanding. I love Winifred Horan's classically influenced Celtic fiddling but the tone she gets is not uniformly sweet; the melodies do not always resemble lullabies. The violin can sound quite strident at times. Oregon can be very melodious but also,(at least in their younger days) quite chaotic and atonal. These are examples on the mellower side of my listening spectrum and I can't listen to them for more than a couple hours, either live or at home. 

Bottom line: I don't find listening to live music "effortless" so I don't understand how a system that renders this activity "effortless" can also be said to be accurate.   

What is it that I'm failing to grasp, here?  


 

stuartk

@mahgister 

"An audiophile without a dedicated listening room is like an olympic runner limited to a wheelchair...I exagerate here yes, but my point is not untrue..."

Ouch!  But I get your point. I don't have the funds to get the solid platinum wheelchair-- silver plated, maybe!  :o)

nice new study out using brain implants…different part of the brain lights up with singing…. One of my cherished references is unamplified small to medium chorale in a reverberant space captured w a simple Decca tree….

a thought : if you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there…..

carry on, best in music to all on this enjoyable and so far civil thread…my compliments….

Jim

 

A live performance is just that. Anything can happen, hopefully what is suppose to happen does. It is a "Performance". Reproduction on the other hand is tailored to the crew that mixed it and then what you think it should sound like. Different people at the dials. I gave up on live unless I know the band..

Carlos
Prince
Willie

They never put on a crap performance.

It got so bad in the 80s I quit going, behind 110db + noise levels in the halls with ear plugs in.

Deep Purple and Journey. I walked right out of there along with 1/2 the crowd. They were drunker than most of the crowd. Now people bring their KIDS to concerts and expect YOU to behave. NO!!!

If I’m gonna do the chicken dance I’m gonna do the chicken dance.

Party poopers! get a KID sitter. Chain them in the basement till you get back..

I’ll listen to the records. Only nut there is ME.. Dog is pretty goofy, though..

Regards

Thanks for all the great responses-- gonna get out of this chair and do a few laps in my sonic "wheelchair" .  That's one simile I won't soon forget, Mahgister ;o)

@tomic601 :

"carry on, best in music to all on this enjoyable and so far civil thread…my compliments…."

Yes-- the civility is a wonderful quality!