A full range speaker?

both of which were definitely full range. He alsways said that to build a better woofer build a better tweeter meaning, of course, that bass quality depended as much on the bass notes harmonics as on it's fundamentals.


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Your friend was on to something,, ~~Fundamentals~~
YOu see Scanspeak's beat Seas Magnesium in the deepest bass fq.s
More  punch, kick,
But what Seas gave up in the deep bass of the drum percussion, they gain in the upper bass/low midarnge.
Paper composite has its own characteristic, and Magnesium has its own particular voicing.
__bass notes harmonics**. The bass guitar on the magnesium is unreal, super sweet. 
THe Scan paper composite just won't work for  my  peculiar taste.

You see Wislon sticks a  bunch of drivers in a  cabinet offering you  true /complete full range, deep powerful bass, sweet glorious highs,,
But at the sacrifice of upper bass.low mids, quality control....
Vandersteen is guilty of this mid issues as well, but certainly  at a  lower price  tag. 
Wilson has a  speaker now, approaching close to the $1M tag, (M as in Million!!)

mijostyn4,713 posts07-21-2021 7:22amdaledeee1, absolutely incorrect. Specs as published mean very little. They are taken at one meter in an anechoic chamber. At 3 meters in a real room the story is entirely different. Most speakers start dying at 80-100 Hz with a peak or two below depending on room nodes which results in one note bass.


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Very nice info here. 
You justn saved me from consideringa  Seas 2 way with a  dedicated midrange and adding a  W26 or W22,.

based on your info, 
makes no sense for me to attempt to gain a  deep bass than what i already have.
Dual 6.5's might in the end beat out a  single W22 or even a  single W26

Both the W22/W26 on paper go lower, but as you say ina  test room, 1 meter.
In real time, its a game changer.
No, I'm thinking now dual W18's = best bang for the bass buck. 
Troels pretty much confirms this on his notes about Dual W18's bass punch.

I am amazed at how far off track this post has wandered. What, on the low end, defines a "full range" speaker to you; 20-60 hz? Lower or higher than that, that’s ok to say too.

Where do you define a full range speaker for yourself? Of course top end is ok too, if you want, but that is much easier to achieve. How you get there is up to you, and not really important to the original post, because thats where the quibbling starts.


Mine is 28 hz, 0db down at my preferred listening level. So, very few speakers can lay claim to being full range if that is true to me, and right now I need a sub. So, i consider all of my speakers wide range, but not full range.

WEll seems Wilson is defining what Full Range is, the cabinets are fulll of drivers, 
There is not 1 fq missing. To me thats FULL packed range. 
Sorry not interested. 
Seas Millenniumk twee rolls off the top end, but the low mids are super fidelity and voice as accurate as any Magneplanar, Sound labs, Quad 57 human voicing. 
I think the new flagship Cresendo has extended the top end. 
IMHO full range is 60hz-12k hz. 

william53, I think that is what I have been trying to tell you. Unless you want to go for an ESL with subwoofers, the best you can do with dynamic drivers is a two way system with subwoofers. It is easier to control and engineer a passive two way crossover than it is to control and engineer the mechanical crossover you have in these so called full range loudspeakers. Anything with a whizzer cone is not full range, it is two way. The crossover is mechanical as the whizzer cone becomes decoupled from the woofer/midrange cone. The ESL is the only truly full range driver but it still IMHO requires subwoofers. An ESL will do 28Hz to 20 kHz but removing 100Hz down cleans up the sound so much that you are better off crossing to subs. I cross at 120 Hz. Above that it is all one way. Not that everything is perfectly rosy, it is not. There are two transformers, several resistors and caps involved between the amps and the ESL panel.