Speaker recommendation $10-20K (with some requirements!)
Recent lessons of the developing audiophile:
Don’t buy speakers without demonstration
Speaker break in is real...but will not fundamentally change DNA
Really appreciate the wisdom of this forum!
I recently changed my old B&W Matrix 803 Series 2 with new Dynaudio Countour 60i’s. A number of you helped on my: How important is speaker break-in? post - thanks! The Dyn’s are not fully broken in, but I think I can see where this is going: They have great soundstage, detail, and bass. In comparison, the B&Ws sound smaller, thinner, slightly less detailed overall, and do not throw big bass. (The B&W’s are supplemented nicely with a quality subwoofer, but that still sounds a little more like component parts stitched together, than the way the Dyn’s deliver an integrated output).
The problem? The Dyn’s are hard in the mids and highs, and my (aging) ears are very sensitive to that. I have some tinnitus that I usually don’t notice...unless a hard or ringing sound sets it off, and these speakers are doing it big time. Immediately fatiguing (unless the recording is just somebody plucking at a bass guitar). The B&Ws are pretty sweet in the mid-range and most recordings don’t trip my hard/edgy line. So, I WILL go demo before buying this time, but I am hoping this group can help narrow the search a bit, and I am letting budget drift up if that helps get it done. Here are constraints and goals, and equipment:
*Absolutely must be smooth and silky - not hard, edgy, ringing, brittle, etc. - in the mids and highs. Ironically, I tend to listen mostly to heavier music, but I care mostly about sweet and detailed delivery of delicate sounds, like vocals and piano. For say, heavy metal, I don’t care if the system reproduces it perfectly, only that it tilts away from ragged, ringing tones as much as possible.
*After that, I want a big, authoritative sound with meaningful bass, detail - everything one would want in a speaker, but compromises can be made.
*Room Treatments. Room is medium size, does not have treatments, and it is what it is. It is not a dedicated audio room, so I can’t start throwing stuff up on the walls (WAF). (The room does have the benefit of being wood floor applied directly to concrete (with a rug), so at least the floor doesn’t resonate. And it has 2 layers of sheetrock in places). I will live with my room compromises, but the sound coming out the speakers themselves does matter and I want to focus on that.
*Prefer tower style for aesthetics and fit, but open to boxy (e.g. Harbeth) if that’s where I need to go.
* Equipment: All digital inputs to ARC DAC 8 -> ARC Ref5se preamp -> Bryston 7BSST2 monoblocks (600W). I get that the whole system matters, and that Brystons are supposed to be a little hard. But this problem really started with the new speakers, so that is where I am focusing. If you really think different amps or something are going to turn the Dynaudio’s silky sweet in the mids and high, please say that with some conviction and support.
As always, really appreciate the greater knowledge of this community!
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Your ears aren't deceiving you. In their last two or three generations/iterations, Dynaudio has gone the way of all too many speaker manufacturers, creating exactly the kind of tilted up sound that impresses in the showroom and wears on the listener in the home. It's rare, but the Spendor Classic 100 would suit you to a T. Second up, you could look at a Vienna Acoustics The Music. And if all else fails, Vandersteen would be the fall-back position. Thanks LeftEars. What do you think about ATCs and Harbeths of similar level to the Spendor classics....I think of them as similar (with limited basis). I think it is odd that there is not more consistency of opinion on this topic. What you say makes sense. But so many other knowledgeable people immediately go to room and amps. But the thing that has changed is speakers....and most of what I hear seems to be a function of the speakers, while the other things of course matter. |
´´ I don't know if I will get too far with room treatments! ´´ Show her the room of @mahgister ; she will gladly accept almost anything.... |
@mathaismingus, the advise coming in is essentially good analysis with ceiling and floor first reflection points problem areas. But Cables can and will (my personal experience) cause the very effect that you are describing. Not only Speaker Cables but Interconnects as well. And also brings all the upstream gear into question ... |
