Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant
Beetle - thanks for the link.Tmsrdg - I'll speak to the geriatric speaker problem. Yes, there are concerns, but not very centered on ageing of materials in Thiels. We paid lots of attention to longevity, our finishes have ultraviolet screening agents, driver surrounds are rubber for very long life, etc. If someone places the speakers in direct sun without the grilles, there may be some hardening/stiffening of the surrounds to raise resonance frequencies. I suggest keeping them out of direct sun and with their grilles on.
The main concern is fatigue of the tinsel leads in the drivers. We spec'd really good braided leads, but they eventually fail, especially if overheated. The CS5 drivers are presently serviceable via CoherentSource Service and/or their manufacturers. Work is being done to stabilize that service into the indefinite future. The other potential vulnerability is crossover capacitors. The CS5 is pretty bulletproof. Almost all of the caps are film, primarily film and foil, which have extremely long lives (indeterminate.) There are only 6 electrolytic caps, all in parallel shaping circuits, so their failure would be quite benign. Thiel used ultra high quality electrolytic caps with a rated service life of 40 years - but speakers generally are used far less than service ratings assume. As mentioned in the bulletin Beetle attached, storage is an electrolytic cap's worst enemy. Another hazard of old electronics is solder joints. The CS5 was when we chose Alpha's SAC305 solder which is used by NASA for space duty gear. I've never seen one fail, but retouching those hundreds of solder joints would increase peace of mind.

In short, I think that age is a problem in old speakers, but much less of a problem in old Thiels because we considered longevity in our mission. 

Tomthiel and the Thiel Owners Thread

I bought my CS 2.3s in 2000 while owning a Linn source and electronics. 
LP12 > Karin pre > LK280 > CS 2.3 using Linn standard interconnects and K20 speaker wire.
In 2017 I upgraded my system after my Karin and LK280 finally died. I bought a new TT, a slightly used Linn pre and an old Linn recapped amp. My system then was:
Klimax LP12 > KK/1 > Klout > CS 2.3  using Chord Sarum T interconnects and Chord Epic speaker wire.
This major $$ upgrade was a revelation as to what I was hearing coming out of the speakers. Between the TT and pre I was hearing so much detail that I never knew existed within the groves of my vinyl. The klout also allowed quite a bit more bass to come through. However, the system was too bright and fatiguing. The Linn pre was very detailed but way too sparkly.  I sold the pre and bought a Pass headphone amp. I did this because it was cheaper that buying a "true" Pass pre and it had a very good preamp section in it. Now I was running:
Klimax LP 12 > HPA1 > Klout > CS 2.3
What a difference the preamp section in that little HPA1 made. The Thiel's started to come alive. I mostly noticed the vast improvement in the bass control. I was on a roll now. I sold the Klout and bought a Pass X 250.8.
WOW. That amp had such grip on those Thiel's. The speakers opened up so much that I was really able to appreciate my front end. I was now running:
LP 12 > HP1A > x 250.8 > CS 2.3
Th next obvious upgrade was to a true Pass pre. I decided on a Pass pre for the synergy. This upgrade brought me to my present system:
LP 12 > XP 22 > X 250.8 > CS2.3
With this new pre the soundstage completely opened up with wonderful imaging and such tight bass. When I put on an AAA acoustic record, I turn down the lights, close my eyes, and swear that I am attending a house concert.
It has taken me 20 years and all these upgrades to make my 2.3s the weakest link in my system. And that is really saying something for the quality of my "little CS 2.3".
Yyz. Great video thanks for posting the link ! I never thought about all the handling and changes to make the cabinets!! Tom thiel do you think  “an auto assembly line style “ would have been feasible and more productive building speakers ?? Or does space and costs out weigh the advantages??  David