Anybody want a laugh?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/254589502418

Yes, that’s a network switch marketed to Audiophiles. 
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rixthetrick,

'And do you suppose that it cannot possibly be improved upon, in any way by anybody?'


No one is going to argue with that. Specifications and tolerances can always be improved. However, transmitting audio signals over Wi-Fi is not considered particularly challenging nowadays, is it?

It wasn't too long ago that wired connections were considered advisable for 4K etc but now most routers can manage it wirelessly. The demands required for streaming high definition audio should easily be well within the wireless capabilities of any router anywhere, shouldn't they?

Therefore shouldn't we be primarily concerned whether these improvements are of any actual sonic use to us, or are they merely just another marketing ploy to add another zero or 2 (or maybe even 3) to the price demanded?

That's the problem here, isn't it? The perennial problem facing all audiophiles; the fact that anyone, anywhere can sell anything regardless of whether it has any discernible effect for any price they choose. All they seemingly have to do is to imply some quasi-nebulous sonic improvement, and they have a mandate.

As many of us may have already fallen for this tactic previously, what does this say about us a group? Are we really so gullible and so easily led?

If so, then how should we protect ourselves against such devious attempts to hoodwink us?

The one thing that might help us would be the demand for more double blind testing, but that is usually met with much hostility and resistance by almost all sides. 

Alan Shaw once offered a free pair of Harbeth's top of the range M40 loudspeakers to anyone who was able to come down and successfully identify a sonic difference between 2 level matched amplifiers under such conditions at his factory. 

Guess what happened? No one took him up on his offer. Not even after years and years of debating and arguing the point!

Even more recently Gene Della Salla of Audioholics fame got into a Facebook spat with his sometimes sparring partner, none other than Michael Fremer, over the worth of power conditioners (see Audioholics Community).

Needless to say Fremer's responses so far have been far from convincing, merely reactionary and defensive. In previous times Michael was not always adverse to double blind testing.

Maybe times have changed and once more the scam continues as the cartel  continues to protect itself.

Fair enough, they all want to keep their jobs, but how do we audiophiles protect ourselves?
Blind testing cannot even " perfectly" prove anything.... But supposing it can, it will disprove a particular change and only one...

The art of audio embeddings imply a successive incremental chain of positive changes.... For that no blind testing is possible except at the end of the cumulative process of changes....I can perfectly remember how awful was the sound of my audio system before and after these 2 years of changes and experiments...The same audio system is day and night....No blind test for me :)

Audiophile must focus on the basic deep problem of audio implementation and improvement not on the defense of singular superficial modification ( like a cable addition) that can be real or not and contest by any blind tester ....

The only way to protect ourselves is experimenting with low cost materials.... This is sufficient to win Hi-Fi anyway if the basic amplifier, dac, speakers are relatively good and well choosen....
I can only assume you don't understand blind testing mahgister. The only requirement for blind testing is that you don't know what you are testing. That is it. That is all. You can take second, minutes, hours, days, months to review or make  change, the only requirement is you don't know what was changed.


Yes i understand that.... But for me to increase the positive change i must know where and how and what i have done... At the end the change is so great and big, i will take the blind test.... It will be easy to win , but in my house, with my file, otherwise how can i?

To implement the test it will takes a day just to erase all the tweaks...

Another day to make them in place anew...

Oufff All that for what?

Blindtesting a cable is easy .... Blind testing a system less easy....


My point is precidely that: blindtesting a stream of successive incremental changes has no interest at all....The end result is not equal to a change in cable.... :)

It seems it is you that dont get my point without being rude....

Audio does not reduce to what you think it must be ....
In the 21st century audio engineers build equipment while actively avoiding two of the most powerful tools available to the whole of science and engineering: measurement and error control. The damage to the audio industry and its reputation in the wider engineering world will remain immeasurable until we decide to take control.

💜 Bruno

His amplifier designs and the THX AAA circuit topology are really the only unique things happening in the HiFi world worthy of note recently, imo of course. I also feel the need to push back aggressively on the preposterous assertion by a few people in this thread that “streamers” are somehow better than a PC based front end, with zero evidence of any kind being offered.
The way I see this development is simple, I’ve been using a PC front end for 20-years, it was simply too difficult for the median age audiophile to assemble their own computer, configure the software, download the FLAC files and on top of that, there was no opportunity for you guys to get out your credit card and spend thousands on a shiny new box and get that dopamine hit. Some of you might take offense, but I’m sorry, streamers aren’t doing anything new, and they certainly don’t sound better in any demonstrable way than a middling PC setup connected to a good asynchronous DAC.
I use a USB DAC with 116db SINAD specifically to ensure that my front end is outpacing the amplification it feeds in terms of noise floor. I know measuring things is frowned upon here, but I generally roll my eyes hard enough to do a mental backflip when people say things like Ethernet or WiFi is superior to async USB.. Based on what?