Aqua La Scala Optologic Mk2 on the cheap, used and sub $3000?


I’ve had a great time with a borrowed Aqua La Scala Optologic in my system. Played with the Antipodes CX / Ex combo (also borrowed) the sound was sublime, palpable and emotionally connected me to the music. Given the evolution of digital and the significant depreciation involved, I’m a real fan of used at the moment.

I picked up a good deal on a 1TB Innuos Zen MKiii. With my current Ayre Codex, it’s decent, but nowhere in the same league as the Aqua. The Aqua design appeals for a couple of other reasons:

1) I believe R2R is a better way forward on PCM, it just sounds right!
2) I’m heavily invested in high Rez (SACD) and I require that ability
3) I firmly believe the more you transform the bits, the more damage you can do the the SQ. Therefore I don’t want to have Roon convert DSD to PCM on the fly. For me, The DAC needs to handle DSD natively.

If it wasn’t for the DSD, a MHDT Orchid modded by Grannyring, or the Tubadour iii SE are highly regarded music makers and easy choices. What then with R2R and native DSD at a more economical used price point? (The La Scala sells for approximately $4k)

Sure there is the Aqua La Voice S3, for the $1000 less used, I’m told the La Scala is the better value in spite of the cost differential. Part of the cost of the Aqua line is on the ability of the boards to be upgraded, the other is labor costs in Italy verses the Orient. Too bad these other guys don’t offer DSD!

I’ve heard the Lampi Amber 3 might be a good choice, though I’ve also heard it’s a little more forward particularly with PCM. Getting the overall timbre color and tonality correct (the meat on the bones if you will) is really important to me, if the DAC gets this right, usually lesser recordings are more listenable. So what else is there?


ianderson
@three_easy & @enqery. Good pointers on the Lampi Atlantic TRP with the early version R2R DAC. I’ll have a look out for one of those too. Thanks!
Mojo plays my DSD recordings every time. Never an issue and it always sounds wonderful. By play I mean, as I have already said, music plays through my speakers 🤓. The resulting sound is all that matters. Wether the dac is tube, SS, NOS, DSD, R2R etc... is not as important as the resulting sound of your system to your ears in your room. Yes I have Roon and highly recommend it!

Ian, a good audio friend has had both the Mojo and La Scala Opto latest version in his system. For him, the Mojo Mystique 3 was the better performer. He sold the Opto and well as the LaVoce S3 in favor of the Mojo. While he was very impressed with the Opto, he found the Mojo more “right” sounding in the frequency extremes. He preferred the overall musicality and solidity of the Mojo. He did love the mids of the Opto!


Granny - thanks for that perspective, and an important one at that. When you say your buddy Ian liked the extremes better, can that be described a little please?

Based on the comment about missing the mids of the La Scala Opto, would it be fair to say the mids on the Aqua are slightly better?

Lastly, It is said by many others that DSD sounds a little more like analog. When I played the Aqua La Scala with DSD, it was just a little more organic the the High Rez PCM version. I have Muddy Waters Folk Singer in 24 bit PCM and DSD, and the DSD is better to my ears and system. 

This is my worry that I will loose a little of the DSD magic by not having a DAC that doesn’t play DSD natively. Curiously, if you were measure DACs you’ve heard on a 1-10 scale, where would you put these:

- modded Orchid
- La Voice
- La Scala
- Mojo
- Holo Kitsune (if you’ve heard one)
- any others you feel relevant to my quest 

Thanks to all that have offered help with this!