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Subwoofer pairing for Sonus Faber Elipsa SE

Currently have a 20+ year old M&K single VX-1250. It adds a very noticeable difference in fullness but looking upgrading

100% music, no HT

Full PS Audio BHK stack with 300 mono blocks

Already have GIK room treatments for 1st reflection and corner bass traps. My thought was to bring in a pair of matched subs.

Rel recommends a pair of S812's. @ $6k ish for a pair this isn't an option. The older 212 seems like it might actually be a better music only option but a pair isn't affordable. Seems like if I go the Rel route  it would have to be as a single. Maybe a used single G1?

Sumiko S.10 pair seems like a much more cost effective option. A pair is less than a single Rel. I read a lot how it's a variation of the Rel S5 with different cone material. Its unclear to me what the sound difference would be.

Last option is a pair of Syzygy 850. Beefer amp but only 10" compared to the Sumiko. Room correction is the interesting value here. Wondering how much value it adds.

I've ruled out SVS and the JL line is out of budget.  Feels like I have 3 real options

1) A single Rel, perhaps able to find a reference unit used 
2) Pair of Sumiko S.10
3) pair of Syzygy 850 for the room correction 

Thoughts? None of these can be auditioned within 1000 miles so looking to hear from anyone that has 1st hand experience with any of these

Thanks
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antman
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I am using dual JLaudio E112 with my Elipsa SE.   though I am still tweaking it and about to order JL CR1 x-over controller.    
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noble100
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Hello antman,

     Two subs properly positioned and configured can provide very good bass at a single designated listening position, but it takes a minimum of three subs positioned in a distributed bass array (DBA) method to provide very good bass throughout the entire room.  The bass will also be faster, smoother, more detailed, more powerful and more dynamic.


Tim 
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doitwithlife OP
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AntMan

Sounds like a nice fit with the pair if those. I've never heard any of the JL Audio line, but I understand them to be nice performers.

These SEs are so sweet and smooth. What a change we found going from a single older model to a top performing sub pair.

WAF was , her words "wow"

Still tweeking and needing to order a special cable dealie as I have what I'm learning are fully differentially amps. Never knew of such a thing
antman
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Well, after 3-4 months of backorder from JL.   I finally got my CR-1 to work with my pair of JL E112...   just plug an play.   Set x-over at 70hz.    For both E112 and Elipsa.   

OMG.   It sound so balance.   The subs blends in so well.  Less stress on main speaker.   Now I have too see what I can do to get it better.....


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noble100
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Hello antman,

     Life's too short to have ugly speakers in your living room, right?

    I'm a user and proponent of the 4-sub distributed bass array (DBA) concept but I realize that very good bass performance can also be attained through the use of 2 good quality subs that are properly positioned within the room and in relation to the listening position, especially if the user is primarily concerned with very good bass performance at a designated listening position and not throughout the entire room.
     Apparently, this describes your requirements.  You certainly obtained a very good quality pair of subs, the JL E112s, and even a very good quality active sub control unit, the JL CR-1, in order to create a very high quality 2 sub bass system to utilize with your very high quality SF Elipsa SE main speakers.  I'm not surprised you've obtained excellent results thus far.
     in an effort to hopefully assist you in even further improving the performance of your overall system, I'm just curious about a few things:

What is the size of your room?
Where are the 2 subs positioned in your room and in relation to your designated listening seat?
Do you use your system for music and HT?

Thanks,
  Tim
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