Best bass in Earth! Bass that just smells right...


Bass ,room acoustics, attack, delay, headroom, pressurization, and integration with the main speakers. So this has been my quest. Perfect bass that enhances everything yet detracts from nothing...

Over the 25 plus years as a hobbyist (mostly Audiophile/Music lover) yet also a mechanical engineer and Virgo perfection is a must. Once I heard the swarm/distributed bass array done right I was sold. I probably have spent 10s of thousand over the years buying and selling just bass/subwoofers and every gizmo to aid in this process.

I finally find myself with 26 10 inch woofers (only using 20 at the moment)  from four Kinergetics sw 800's in a small 20 x 16 room. 4 towers with 5 10 inch Seas each and 2 of the smaller subs with 3 10 inch woofers each. They are all in great condition given age the drivers are tight and work perfectly. Of all the money I have spent in home audio this has been my most difficult challenge to achieve perfection. I love Stats and Maggies but also like AC/DC and other music that the plannars are not the best at. Dyna Audio and Dunlavy speakers are the fastest coned sealed speakers (I am sure there are a million speakers out there that equal or better them not here to debate speakers) . I personally have always preferred the sound of FAST sealed cone speakers.

Back to the bottom foundation which I feel all speakers need regardless of price and woofer size. Trying to get four Sub woofers correct in a room is not easy. I probably have 200 hours into these SW 800's and now trying different AMPs and configurations. Im close but not there Id give it 88-91 percent but that last 10 percent is the magic.

So for they peeps out there getting into this can of worms. First unless your a sadomasochist like me it's probably best to buy a system like the Audio Kinesis or Debra system. It's just guaranteed results. Second this is for music not HT there is a difference. Although I had the HSU ULS 15's sealed 2 of em and they are darn good, Revel b 15' A's, Muse Model 18's along with several others. These SW 800's are more like actual speakers that require a lot of work to get right. They also use a funky forward distortion feedback Compusound circuitry (Im not an EE but from what little I was able to read it sounds like a forward servo design in their BSC cross overs) tons of pros and cons to the design but the fact they were meant to mate with the original Martin Logan full panel CLS says volumes when it comes to transparency. Although I dont use the high pass just the low pass.

So if you are into real music and enjoy room pressurization with out destroying (actually increasing, presence, timing, and smell of the music) multiple subwoofers are a mandatory.

I am writing this post for all the peeps getting into real bass so you dont make all the mistakes I have made. We all know how expensive mistakes are that is and why we are members of Agon and other groups. I do want to Thank a couple of members on here for their help and wisdom. I wont name them they know who they are. And special Thank you and Happy New Year to the moderators and founders of Agon for giving all of us a place to gain view points, experiences, and wisdom!

-Allgood
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never heard this, it must make my stereo pair of 15" woofers seem like a feather in the holland tunnel.
As a side note..the Dayton Audio SA-1000 looks to be a rebadged Snell-SPA750.


I think I read somewhere a few years back that Bob Carver actually did the design work on the amp,  not sure if thats true though.

Allgood,

Here's an interesting and easy-to-do wideband audio system performance test, 20 to 800 approx.  Since you are a ME, you'll recognize it as an MTF (modulation transfer function) test.  Down-load it, play over headphones and then play through your system and note the difference in dynamic clarity.  https://www.acousticsciences.com/matt

If you record the test signal at the listening position and email the recording to me art.n@acousticsciences.com I'll get it analyzed and sent back you.  It will be fun and illuminating. 

Art Noxon

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Thanks Art for the info... Im thinking I was a different kind of Mechanical Engineer than your used to. And Im a former Marine so please grade this response on a curve. haha. 

Think HASS 3 to 5 axis mill. Master Cam and G code along with and a really big hammer and press... Im terrible with computers and new programs. Do you an old geezer Power user of your products that could come over in Phoenix and give some recommendations? Id pay him for his time. No substitute for wisdom and first hand experience.

lmk you can PM me if you dont his/her info out there.
To really set up your subs to their utmost ability without cancellation you need Mini-DSP. It may be fiddly at first but it is acclaimed as one of the best and least expensive solutions available.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4OY0MhMKTc
https://www.minidsp.com/