subwoofer 19 by 18 room


I am building a 5.1 home theatre
have an Arcam 350 on the way and am using B&W Matrix twos, center and 301's in the rear

I've a bit stumped on subwoofer
everything I demo is too loud, rolled wrong and it sounds like a booming box

Definitive, B&W, Martin Logan didn't excite me
Paradign sounded okay, heard stay away from Velodyne (but I was impressed with them 20 years ago)

any suggestions for a single unit subwoofer?
probably need some eq in my near square room

I may even have Jim Salk build me something

ps I have a two channel room where I do my serious listening to music
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everything I demo is too loud, rolled wrong and it sounds like a booming box

What is your budget...accurate extreme LF does not come cheap. I am hardly shocked at what you describe....if you are looking in the wrong price range.

The Velodyne DD 12 suggestion is a good one...15 would be better.
I'm going to get a JL Audio F113
anyone heard tghe F110?

should be more than enough low end

second sub maybe a year down the road
vx700
could you describe how adding the second one worked in your setting

can't quite spring for 2 right now

cheers
Tom
The JL woofer looks impressively built - so this may be a good start. Nevertheless, if you want to watch music DVD at audiophile quality distortion levels (not just impressive volumes by moving copious amounts of air, as in car systems or war movie such as in U571) then you may want to enquire about the Xmax (one way movement at less than 10% THD) for this driver. I have not found a quote for this specification which matters to audiophiles whilst only moving air matters to impressive car system and U571.

As far as I can tell, JL use the "overhang" Xmax method which when doubled they cterm as "linear peak to peak", which is simply geometry based and ignores the voice coil offset, magnetic field asymmetries, suspension problems and other driver defects (The 10% THD Xmax method has issues too, but at least it is much more rigorous)

JL claim the linear peak-to-peak excursion is 2.7 inches for the F113 (constant number of VC turns in the gap). EXTREMELY impressive but how linear this is one can only begin to guess...geometry is geometry and it is not sound!

JL's data is so impressive you could think that famous driver manufacturers like Volt that sell expensive drivers (with far less impressive specifications) do not know what they are doing ....but I doubt it somehow!

So be careful, despite the rave reviews this is a car audio speaker adapted to HT...perhaps the Hi-Fi speaker industry has some tricks to learn from this newcomer ...perhaps not.
Shadorne makes some valid points but as with everything being equal in HiFi, let your ears and body do the thinking for you not the stats. Car audio is harder to make sound good than home audio is and since when does true bass not move air?