B&W DM70's - top end lacking


I have a pair of DM70’s.
They sound really good with vocal, blues and opera.
The bass is overblown with complex orchestral or progressive.

I am already replacing the bass units with Leak sandwich, as I found that the original units had not been repaired correctly.
They had some sort of home made surround made of thick paper with a 12 inch foam surround stuck on top.
The leaks seem to solve some of the bass issues.
I will get the bass units professionally repaired at some point.

Now to the treble units.
The mid and lower treble seems great, but things like symbols seem muted.
I was told that the electrostatic units had been repaired by One Thing, but now I am not so sure.

I am driving them with an Art Audio Quintet fed from a Conrad Johnson PV9a pre.
My CD is a Unison Unico and I am using a Focus One turntable just now.
Cables are from Chord. (Yes they do help a bit)

These are frustrating speakers, as when at their best, they sound so good.
First I need to know what to expect (especially from the treble).
Then I need to know how to fix any issues.

Sometimes they sound so so good and other times . . .
iscm
ct0517:
This is what I have on the DM70’s so far from different sources.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsdR4rYZVpE4sUzCKIvZoEG9f5Ag
Sorry, but there may be duplicates and it includes what I got using the link that you provided

I like this in particular, as there is a very long explanation about their development:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AsdR4rYZVpE4sDU7GJjlvhBf1_2N
I note that a later equivalent for 1974 is much shorter and more simple.

This tells me they need really good setup or people will hear 50hz - 15khz (or less) with an average setup

My treble issues also show up when I use an amp that previously worked OK with these speakers, so it seems that there is some issue with my speakers.
I talked to One Thing Audio who suggested that I get the ’energiser’ units serviced as a first step.
They said that it is very common for the diodes to fail and that they would replace them all as a matter of course. If that does not work I will send in the panels for repair.

My feeling is if B&W kept producing them, the ESL panel would have grown in size - taller, as ESL Panels become more efficient with size.
I am not so sure, as making the panels taller would change the dispersion pattern.
Their horizontal dispersion is also quite good due to the curve used.
B&W did say, however, that a vertical arrangement was tried.

Hope this is of interest
Ian

I have owned two pairs of these.One pair sounded a bit dull but the other pair had lovely extended treble so it really depends on their condition.
One pair sounded a bit dull but the other pair had lovely extended treble so it really depends on their condition.
I think that either my energiser units need an overhaul of the panels need redoing.
First I will get the energiser units serviced and if I still have issues I will move on to getting the panels done.

I did not think that the electrostatic panels should sound dull.
Hi, new to the site.
I have just picked up a pair of DM70. The ESL sound very good but I suspect that the energiser units needs some caps replacing.
The bass drivers have green felt DIY surrounds that are not helping in that department. If anyone can help in the sourcing of replacement surrounds I would be grateful.
I currently have them hooked up to a pair of Williamson KT88 mono blocks. They are rated at 20wpc. I have been using these on my Maggies and Apogees to good affect. Do I need more power? I have a pair of NAD 214 that are 500+ when bridged.
Hi, I should have clarified that mine are the Continentals.
I note the previous comment about suspended wooden floors, I will place them on some marble slabs.
I am located only a few miles from both the Stenying and Worthing factories though they offer little support to the very early models of which I have a number including DM3, DM4, D5 etc.
Best regards, M