MQA according to new Stereophile "loudness button" and "tweaking EQ in presence region"


Stereophile’s May 2017 review of the Mytek Brooklyn DAC (Herb Reichert) states that "in every comparison, MQA made the original recording sound more dynamic and transparent, but only sometimes more temporaly precise."

Seems positive, right? But the next sentence reads....

"After a while the MQA versions began to remind me of those old Loudness Contour buttons on 1960’s receivers, which used equalization to compensate for loss of treble and bass at low listening levels."

Now for the bombshell.....


"Consistently, MQA sounded as though it was tweaking the EQ in the presence region."

"I also noticed that most of the MQA versions sounded rounded off and smoother than the originals."

My opinion is that we gullible audiophiles have been fooled in the past by supposed new technologies, similar to what supposedly early mobile fidelity pressings did with EQ to make listeners think they were hearing an improvement.

In my mind, an alteration of the source is distortion.

Just as TV’S in stores set to torch mode are often preferred on first glance, and speakers that at first grab you with some spectacular aspect can become tiresome over time, as accuracy and neutrality become preferred as one's ear becomes more refined.

The frightening thing is that 2 major music entities have signed on, seemingly to make MQA the defacto standard of how music will made available.


While I haven’t been able to do this comparison myself, reading a highly regarded golden ear admit this in print is warning enough for me.


Just like the sugary drink that tastes so good on first experience, our advanced society knows that consuming it regularly leads to diabetes, heart disease and worse.

Does this revelation reveal MQA to be the parlor trick that it appears to be?
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To reply as best I can ...

Everything we do in mastering is approved by a team of people with a ton of experience, and although fear can ruin the dynamic potential resulting in super limiting, musicians, producers, label presidents etc are not deaf. They are making the choices, or picking from the options we offer, and they can hear the changes. My job is to improve on some very great mixes (usually limited as a hot ref), and so anything that goes backwards in the tone from my processing is a no no.

Someone asked about the name, and yes, "Master Quality Authenticated" is the greatest PR slogan ever invented. In a market where, no offense, there are many people who want to believe in the next big tech thing, it’s an exciting name. Yet is it really that great of a benefit to be at 16 44.1 or 16 48k? Really not that small of a file is it? Simple test for someone. Try the free dbPoweramp SRC with a file that’s 24 96k, take it down to 16 48k vs MQA 16 48k. So much more simple, so much less hype and money changing hands. Follow the money.

In digital audio there is no free lunch. That’s just hope in science, hope in mankind, misplaced.

The direction MQA folks are headed is actually playing on that hope for their global domination of the 32 bit AD and DA and mastering markets, where we would be auditioning through the MQA plug in and DA and then making adjustments to the work to compensate. I find this beyond troubling on many fronts.

1. They demand serious license money from DA makers and eventually AD companies, and then turn around and make money on every sale and stream. What a monopoly they are going for! I’m all for an honest living, but it’s not honest, it’s manipulative and exploiting human weakness in the audiophile. They create nothing, so they should be respectful, don’t exploit things.

2. As a ME we make one digital master (sample rate not the issue, don’t get me started!) and one analog with the vinyl ...the digital is then compressed in various ways for sale. This is still the right way to see it. Tech will only change for the better in time, and diluting the artistry and confusing the market with 5 versions of a master on day one is long term stupidity. (MFiT, for example, could upgrade that codec at any time, and get things closer to the source. Yet they asked people to tweak for the codec so they’re stuck (P. S. It’s impossible to compensate for the codec, cold, and thin and shortens the groove). Some MEs like MQA and MFiT as it’s more money for them. My interest is music, artists, and clients. I serve. I don’t exploit.


3. The proper and right job for those making these compressed audio formats, is to make what we create marketable and sounding as close to the source as possible, not pretend it’s better than the source and sell that to people who cant hear the source or are excited by the exciter effect, and then invent a market. Fear of missing out, and that blue light! Fear based market creation. Cynical brilliance. It’s oligarchy, and I’m 100% opposed. Anti creative, anti democratic, etc, etc, etc. Really just backwards.

4. We are in a nether land where the mp3 sucks and a corporate mechanism is not set up for proper master file streaming and sales. MQA is jumping in to seize a moment that is passing by. QOBUS is about there with full file streaming. End of story if that works. Or someone like them if they are quashed by a big $ player. Asia has killer transfer speeds and soon the world will all be able to stream. It’s coming, just a matter of time. If you care to hear the master files today, download the full files, doesn’t take long. Or Qobus, (which I can’t pronounce and am not affiliated with in any way, nor do I endorse) coming soon with others I would imagine. SO this is a short term reality and they are making everyone jump through hoops to pay them and implement based on exploiting you all, and your lack of objective listening or source material.

The labels are lining up as they have relations with the team from Meridian and it’s a $$$ maker with no risk to them. They all want to bolster Q3 reports, ok. Musical quality is not really important. Sad but true. Universal for years left their pre release watermark used to catch leakers on digital music, post release. It’s an audible watermark. Classical, jazz, pop of course. Recently they stopped. Years of that, no one cared.

Hope that covers it

Everyone hears differently and some people, like the Apple guy who designed MFiT, don’t value harmonic content and low end as much as they look at the screen for the best null test figures and say "print it!"


P.S. As far as those folks commenting on auditioning vinyl vs digital vs MQA ... the vinyl pass it more dynamic by physical necessity and often choice, so it’s not a fair comparison. The only fair comparison is the master file vs. X Y or Z compression scheme. MQA has this tech registered as a lossless scheme, but it’s compressed. More marketing.

P.P.S. MQA is like a new amp, or new DA, it’s a chance for the listener to be part of the creative process. That’s what being an audiophile is all about, creating with gear. It’s that, and not as claimed. Yet the momentum for people who want to be fooled and want to feel creative through gear, is a strong force to resist with little ol’ common sense. There is no free lunch. There is no better.

If the mastering is bad, and that’s the MOST LIKELY fact, well ok. Mess with it, filter it, use an amp, speakers DA, what have you. But you are not making my work better with MQA. Feel free to forward my comments in partial or whole to anyone you like.



Enjoy !


@brianlucey

+1 Harmonic content and low mids

As a listener that is what I care most about in the work that you professionals do.

ATC 150ASL are nice and clean in the lower mids and my preferred choice. I find almost all other speaker designs sacrifice harmonic content or "timbre" in order to juice things up for the listener in some exciting way - usually over emphasis on bass and treble or some non musical resonances. I am not familiar with Sonic Allegras but a friend of mine had Audio Physics and they sounded great and imaged extremely well.
Sonics is gone some years now and the new Allegra is by Canalis, which is Allen Perkins of Spiral Groove. Actually Canalis "was" Allen. He’s more of a designer than factory guy, so he sold the rights to the Weinstein family at Hollywood Sound in FL, and they are continuing the brand in conjunction with Joachim. I highly, highly recommend the Canalis Anima. Made of bamboo with other crossover and construction upgrades from my birch ply Allegra I have. Unless you have a room that is truly huge, these are a possible winner, and under $20k. The ATC 150 ASL is nice, yet I find it a bit stiff and less musical overall than the Allegra which manages to be technically sound and also highly musical.   More dynamic drivers in the Allegra, for example, as compared to the very capable 150s. Bigger drivers are generally slower, and the Allegra drivers plus that dual component tweeter (cloth and metal) and excellent design and high quality parts, are just the start of their beauty. Try them for sure if you’re in the market. Small and amazing 3 ways.

One last thought on A/B with MQA ... someone was comparing the MQA files without a MQA DAC, and that’s a no no. Totally unfair. Sounds very bad. We need to have the source file, and the MQA file with a MQA DAC.

Enjoy !
Comparing an MQA file via an MQA dac vs a non-MQA hires file via a non-MQA dac has been touched on somewhere else.....

Does an MQA file played through a supposed high end MQA dac like Merdian's Ultradac or 808v6 player sound better than a non-MQA hires pcm/dsd file played through a high end non-MQA dac like the Total, Chord DAVE, dcs Vivaldi or Esoteric Grandioso, just to name a few?

I have only done an A/B between the Esoteric N-05 dac and the Meridian 808v6 player and I find the Esoteric playing a non-MQA file more satisfying and engaging than the Meridian playing the MQA version of the same music.

Has anyone else done such an A/B for other dac's? Would be interesting to hear of others' experience.

J. :)

Update :Tidal masters are once again a mixed bag just like other high resolution shops ....HD Tracks, Pono etc

It it ALL depends on the Mastering quality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...led zeppelin deluxe sounds great but red hot chili peppers stadium Arcadium is still the compressed Vlado Meller mastering...even though Steve Hoffman excellent master came out on vinyl years ago.