Where is the significant point of diminishing returns on hi-end turntable?


For those that don’t know me I am newish to this game. Yes, I believe this chase for perfection in sound reproduction is a game. There are endless variables affecting the sound of every system and 100x that in opinions on each of these variables. I love cool $hit as much as the next guy but I am looking for an analog rig and I keep getting drawn into the seemingly endless "what about this option that costs tons more?". I started with a $6 to $10K budget and now I am considering a $25K setup (Table, cart and phono stage) after talking to a local retailer. I will be blunt, I want to be that guy in the Memorex ad from the 80’s that is getting blown away by his system (my impression is he is overwhelmed by the amazing sound coming from that speaker not the volume). Now that I have acquired some pretty descent stuff I am spending 15 plus hours each week listening and really enjoying this hobby. I don’t want to have any regrets and just be marginally satisfied with my setup but where do I draw the line? Back to my initial question; what is a reasonable amount to spend on an analog setup to achieve the best bang for the buck? I may be somewhat unique in that I don’t want to constantly be upgrading my equipment, I just want to buy great products the first time that are very satisfying and spend hours listening to great music. I don’t want to be the guy always chasing the next great thing.
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...so I’m just asking what do you consider "suitable"?
Orpheus10, my apologies for the delay. A bit over a dozen years ago, I was on a similar search to the one the OP finds himself. Over our time in this hobby, my wife and I have made it our practice to choose for what makes a difference in our musical enjoyment and to change equipment only infrequently. When we have made an equipment change, we’ve sought to make it a material improvement in our enjoyment of music and not make lateral moves. Typically, I do the research, come up with candidates and then my wife (who is my listening partner) joins me in the listening evaluations.

A dozen years ago, our search was for a "final" turntable that would be the turntable to which we could expect to end our audio ventures still listening.

The turntable we settled on is one we probably could not afford today, but the price at that time, while still very much a stretch, was one we could manage. We’ve never regretted the investment for an instant.

That turntable is the Walker Audio Proscenium Gold turntable. You can find the review I posted on Audiogon here:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/review-walker-audio-proscenium-gold-signature-turntable





Rushton, I'm sure I've seen that one in "Stereophile". Since I've got a good movie on pause, I'll complete my post later on. I was just about to throw the towel in on you.

As far as I'm concerned you probably can't get any better.

Talk back atcha in a while
I'm sure I've seen that one in "Stereophile". 
No, not on Stereophile but it has certainly been in The Absolute Sound (Jonathan Valin) and Positive Feedback (David Robinson).

Rushton, you didn't disappoint; no matter what the rest of the rig consists of, the source is the King. I've never heard anything in that ballpark, not even in the high end salons.

I'm sure that table is in one of the Stereophile issues, I'll find it tomorrow.


May you and your wife ride on sonic clouds of bliss till the end of time.
mmporsche,  Forums become quickly side tracked in addition to being littered with opinions of individuals who obviously have never owned nor heard any similarly priced analog setup.  If posting another thread here has not yet convinced you of this already, then just give it time.  Where to draw the line, you ask, well just far enough to achieve your personal bliss... or maybe just beyond.  My opinion, coming from someone knowledgeable (myself), who lives for analog and music, around $25k, for pure playback ability the Artisan Fidelity Achates Idler drive, Reed 2A arm, and used Tron Electric phono preamp.  Another front end to consider, if going the belt drive route might be a TW Acustic Raven AC, but definitely a unique flavor and slightly more mellow to my ears.  TW's arms are decent but not my "cup of tea", if you will, so would try a Reed perhaps or Schroeder entry level instead.  The Herron tube phono stage might be another serious candidate if you cherish musicality and flexibility not to mention lies around your price range.  

Did someone mention a 1959 Carrera GT Speedster? Vintage Porsche for the collector, another real beauty...

Cheers,
Alexander