Charles,
Basically agree on all of your comments. I believe the opposite of the "neutral/accuracy" camp (so-called), if music is absent tonal warmth, fullness and harmonic density it is not accurate, but a false presentation that is not true to the source. Real music includes all the elements listed by you and in Jeff Day and Yazaki-san's well thought out "Listening Bias" articles. These specific elements of music are not artifact, but "Real Sound." Yes, "both groups can peacefully co-exist and go their own way." Like you, I am after natural/organic "real sound" as opposed to the misnomer of "neutral/accuracy." One caveats though, my fervent hope is that more folk discover Timbral Listening, that more equipment choices become available that will exploit this style/type of listening. Brownsfan nailed my sentiments above with respect to the compare/contrast of tubes/equipment of 60-70 years ago compared to today. In my youth many a family had decent sound reproduction in their homes. That can not be said for today's family. Where have they gone? What caused them to abandon in their home good playback of music? Most here won't like my opinion. I don't wish to stir that troublesome pot. So, for me l'll move on to "Back to the Future" as my path to musical bliss with vintage sound combined with the best of the new in tube/SET, or perhaps with a modern breakthrough amp product such as the geniusYazaki-san designed solid state 60 watt SPEC integrated amp that sounds just like the best of SET DHT 300B, according to Jeff Day in his thorough review in Positive Feedback or in his Blog. The WE16ga/Belden 8402, some wonderful NOS tubes, the splendid potential of the Arizona Capacitor changes, Day and Yazaki-san have caused me to ruminate, contemplate this journey in audio...whatever your taste happy listening, I hope you enjoy the music. Best, Rob
Basically agree on all of your comments. I believe the opposite of the "neutral/accuracy" camp (so-called), if music is absent tonal warmth, fullness and harmonic density it is not accurate, but a false presentation that is not true to the source. Real music includes all the elements listed by you and in Jeff Day and Yazaki-san's well thought out "Listening Bias" articles. These specific elements of music are not artifact, but "Real Sound." Yes, "both groups can peacefully co-exist and go their own way." Like you, I am after natural/organic "real sound" as opposed to the misnomer of "neutral/accuracy." One caveats though, my fervent hope is that more folk discover Timbral Listening, that more equipment choices become available that will exploit this style/type of listening. Brownsfan nailed my sentiments above with respect to the compare/contrast of tubes/equipment of 60-70 years ago compared to today. In my youth many a family had decent sound reproduction in their homes. That can not be said for today's family. Where have they gone? What caused them to abandon in their home good playback of music? Most here won't like my opinion. I don't wish to stir that troublesome pot. So, for me l'll move on to "Back to the Future" as my path to musical bliss with vintage sound combined with the best of the new in tube/SET, or perhaps with a modern breakthrough amp product such as the geniusYazaki-san designed solid state 60 watt SPEC integrated amp that sounds just like the best of SET DHT 300B, according to Jeff Day in his thorough review in Positive Feedback or in his Blog. The WE16ga/Belden 8402, some wonderful NOS tubes, the splendid potential of the Arizona Capacitor changes, Day and Yazaki-san have caused me to ruminate, contemplate this journey in audio...whatever your taste happy listening, I hope you enjoy the music. Best, Rob