OTL Tube Amps-- are they superior to everything?


A recent conversation I had with an Audiogon member got me interested in OTLs. His opinion is that nothing compares to them for clarity, naturalness and superiority in just about every area. The Atmaspheres are the amps he has, and they are purportedly very stable, unlike most other OTL designs, which many can tell you were a living nightmare.

This is ironic, because some mfrs., like McIntosh, actually put output transformers on their better solid state pieces, claiming they provide superior sonics.

What is the truth here?
saxo
Twl, your comments show gross rudeness. Your adolescent, condescending comments should be kept to the high school playground.

You assert that the elimination of the output transformer accounts for an amp that weighs 10 pounds. Transistor amps don't have output transformers, but they have heavy power supply transformers, just as tube amplifiers have, either with or without output transformers. Your comment regarding this shows gross ignorance.

As far as opinions comparing them to 20K amps, there are many opinions comparing X, Y or Z amp to a costly counterpart. Berning has no corner on the market for such praises.
The Berning amp uses a high-speed switching supply instead of a normal power transformer. This was discovered to be superior about 20 years ago. So much for that argument.

You don't have to like the amp. But judge it on its merits, and not its weight. Weight has nothing to do with anything. As far as being ugly, ugly is as ugly does.
Berning lovers, including myself, it's not worth arguing with him, who apparently doesn't care for the sound.
Oh boy, let's keep it to the topic, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's for sure.
I think Saxo might not fully understand what a Berning designed amp is and maybe rightfully so, as this industry is full of BS an BS'rs, so if I was an outsider, I too would be skeptical of such a claim, so Saxo may be reacting just as I might, if I did not get to know this design first hand or at least still trying to get to know it, WOW!

Just a note, there is a number of highly regarded speaker companies that use the ZH-270 as reference amps, one being an Italian company, that makes some of the most beautifully finished speakers in the world, yet they chose this ugly duckling.
OK, OK......Maybe I don't fully know what type of design innovation Berning has devised, that no transformers are needed. I won't say anything more against it. I will admit that it is considered in high acclaim, so there must be something special there.