Your fast is your amp f rom 0-60 .?


I have noticed that there is a very noticeable delay in my DA-60 Jadis integrated before it will utter even a muted distorted mumble never mind sound good. The time always seems too long. There is no doubt that the automatic biasing mechanism which I see as being a single voltage delivered to the filaments of each tube and does not employ any noticeable feedback regulation. This type of biasing is not true bias but an automatic voltage level delivery system circuit.
The true turn it on and watch the amps bias based on the output for any given input level can be seen in Woolcotts and Audio Valvle for instance.
The Slow/soft start my amps go through is merely a protection circuit as best I can tell, to ensure that electrical inrush is muted and it must go through a slow, stepped up, variac like start.
My other amps Cyber 800 Consonance monoblocks again declare it a self biasing amps but the tubes this time warm up from that ice cold distorted sound to tolerable in less than a minute the Jadis is about 2 minutes. I am not going to touch the optimal time to good sound. In terms of plain old listenable sonics how fast do your amps get up and smell the coffee.
(this is not a comment on slew rate)
mechans

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My McIntosh MC240 sounds great within 5 minutes but it sounds even better about 1 hour later. I tested its biasing with a multimeter connected to the internal circuit and it settles down after about 30 minutes but the sound doesn't change much during that time. The output transformer takes about 1.5 hours to reach thermal stability.

It is only normal for SS to be slower to reach thermal equilibrium since they generally don't consume as much power. However, my experience with Gryphon Class A amplifiers is similar to tube amps: super hot in no time! Class D amps are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Arthur
Kijanki - I am getting a phd in Class D circuits and have witnessed variations with temperature in PWM waveforms first hand. Whether it is audible or not is a good question but the feeback loop really has to work to keep the duty cycle in check (mainly because the voltage feedback loop is very fast and few audio modules use the slower current control loop). Tracking a musical signal is tough work and beat frequencies are all over the place, some of which are thermal.

Also, depending on the level of switching frequency, it can take longer than expected to reach thermal equilibrium. It depends on the modulation scheme and signal as to what the duty cycle is but typically, it is 50%. In this case, I doubt that they will reach equilibrium faster than Class A. Those Gryphon amps would burn your hand in less than 5 minutes despite massive heat sinks, if they weren't playing music, whereas I have had thermocouples attached to switching devices and watched their temperature rise in real time and it took about 15 minutes for the curves to level off with an output current of 100A (multiphase buck). If the devices are attached to heat sinks in addition to the multi-layer PCB, it will take much longer still (lots of mass, little energy). You can look at a Class A amp as having 100% duty ratio and 10x the bias current. It will be hard for a Class D amp to beat that kind of energy level, regardless of the mass involved.

As a result of all this, I would leave a switching amp on all the time. Besides, it hardly uses any power.

MOSFETs are actually not as sensitive to temperature as BJTs. Voltage drive doesn't pay much attention to variations in circuit impedance - unlike current drive. Not to mention having positive temperature coefficients.

Just details but thought you might be interested.

Arthur