Hello all,
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Drubin,
Yes, point taken. The experimental method lacked rigor. But, in defense, I did gladly spend three days of listening to the 63s, and had already drawn certain conclusions for myself. Of course (at least not yet anyway) I don't spend much time talking to myself: the demo with my friend, and its result, was a kind of icing on the cake in terms of coming to a final position regarding the comparison.
Bifwynne,
Your points too are well taken. The 57s do have their limitations dynamically. Attempts have been made to stack Quads, and (erroneously I think) to add super-tweeters, all in an attempt to produce more sound. Having heard a number of thusly modified systems I have usually been left lukewarm. Certainly louder, and no doubt a greater treble presence, but the imaging and overall coherence seemed to suffer.
The subject of subwoofers is contentious. I do use a very slight boost in the 30Hz range, almost unnoticeable, as it probably should be, and I find this to be perfectly acceptable. My subwoofer is a modest 8" unit, and I think it integrates quite well.The old Gradient units, dipolar, and as rare as hen's teeth, are apparently the best match, if they can be found. Apparently these had the right 'speed' for the 57s.
My neighbor has a pair of 2905s: beautifully articulate, great dynamics, and an impressive bass reach, but again it's the midrange that seems to pay the price. Incredibly frustrating in some ways!
There have been some shoot-outs between 'new' rebuilt 57s, one in particular in one of the English mags. If I recall correctly, there was a consensus that Wayne Picquet in Florida was King of the Hill (http://quadsunlimited.us). It would seem that he is 'spiritually' the closest to Peter Walker, and he would be my go-to guy should anything ever go badly wrong with my beloved pair.
The 63s were certainly a sophisticated concept: the time-delay from the centre, and the resultant pinpoint imaging is breathtaking. I suppose imaging is not enough to confer greatness, but it certainly was a great strength.
Finally, in answer to Geoffkait: I simply wouldn't dare! I do believe that there might be an attendant removing-of-the-veil associated with this, but the fragility of the naked 57 would make me impossibly nervous. Maybe one day, if I ever get my hands an another pair....
I've tried posting this response thru the system, but it appeared to be rejected. If it appears twice, then my apologies!
Drubin,
Yes, point taken. The experimental method lacked rigor. But, in defense, I did gladly spend three days of listening to the 63s, and had already drawn certain conclusions for myself. Of course (at least not yet anyway) I don't spend much time talking to myself: the demo with my friend, and its result, was a kind of icing on the cake in terms of coming to a final position regarding the comparison.
Bifwynne,
Your points too are well taken. The 57s do have their limitations dynamically. Attempts have been made to stack Quads, and (erroneously I think) to add super-tweeters, all in an attempt to produce more sound. Having heard a number of thusly modified systems I have usually been left lukewarm. Certainly louder, and no doubt a greater treble presence, but the imaging and overall coherence seemed to suffer.
The subject of subwoofers is contentious. I do use a very slight boost in the 30Hz range, almost unnoticeable, as it probably should be, and I find this to be perfectly acceptable. My subwoofer is a modest 8" unit, and I think it integrates quite well.The old Gradient units, dipolar, and as rare as hen's teeth, are apparently the best match, if they can be found. Apparently these had the right 'speed' for the 57s.
My neighbor has a pair of 2905s: beautifully articulate, great dynamics, and an impressive bass reach, but again it's the midrange that seems to pay the price. Incredibly frustrating in some ways!
There have been some shoot-outs between 'new' rebuilt 57s, one in particular in one of the English mags. If I recall correctly, there was a consensus that Wayne Picquet in Florida was King of the Hill (http://quadsunlimited.us). It would seem that he is 'spiritually' the closest to Peter Walker, and he would be my go-to guy should anything ever go badly wrong with my beloved pair.
The 63s were certainly a sophisticated concept: the time-delay from the centre, and the resultant pinpoint imaging is breathtaking. I suppose imaging is not enough to confer greatness, but it certainly was a great strength.
Finally, in answer to Geoffkait: I simply wouldn't dare! I do believe that there might be an attendant removing-of-the-veil associated with this, but the fragility of the naked 57 would make me impossibly nervous. Maybe one day, if I ever get my hands an another pair....