XLR Question


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I've recently converted a listening room to dual use - listening and recording.  I'm trying to use the 2 channel system as a monitor for the recording studio.

The 2 channel pre-amp is an Onkyo 5508 pre-pro (stereo mode) which has a set of stereo xlr balanced inputs available.  So, I want to take the output of my PC audio interface (Pre Sonus  Audiobox) into the Onkyo.

The Audiobox allows the PC recording system to connect to a monitor via balanced 1/4 inch trs out (phone plug). I got a trs to xlr cable and it works perfectly into a pair of active m-audio studio monitors.  However, no signal is evident when I connect the same trs-xlr cable into the Onkyo

Other than a faulty input on the Onkyo, any idea what might cause the monitors to work but not the pre-pro?

thanks in advance
martykl

Showing 4 responses by almarg

Hi Marty,

No, I’ve never tried a one in/two out application of the DTI. My application just involved converting two channels of balanced line-level audio to unbalanced, in a relatively non-critical application as I said.

I would expect that what you are proposing would function, but I’m not sure how well. For one thing you would in effect be converting the balanced inputs of the active monitors to unbalanced, since one end of the secondary winding of the DTI’s transformer for each channel would be grounded by the unbalanced input of the Onkyo. And I suppose hum issues might be another possible consequence. But if good results from that arrangement would be helpful, as you said, it may be worth gambling $60 to find out :-)

Best regards,
-- Al

Thanks, Mofi.  I had looked at that before posting, though, and it doesn't make clear how the input circuit treats what it describes as the "cold" input on XLR pin 3.

Best regards,
-- Al
 
Also, Marty, an inexpensive potential solution you may want to consider would be an ART DTI Transformer/Isolator ($60 plus appropriate cabling). Manufacturer’s description here.

I’ve used one for non-critical voice recording applications, and for those purposes, at least, it seems to work well.

Best regards,
-- Al

Hi Marty,

Just a guess, but perhaps the XLR inputs of the Onkyo are actually unbalanced, with XLR pin 3 (that would usually carry the inverted signal in a balanced signal pair) being grounded (i.e., connected to XLR pin 1 in the Onkyo). And perhaps the AudioBox device generates the non-inverted signal that ends up being provided via your adapter cable to XLR pin 2 of the Onkyo by putting its inverted output signal (that ends up being applied to XLR pin 3 on the Onkyo) through an inverter stage (such as an op amp configured as an inverter).

In that scenario the result would be exactly what you’ve found.

Also, if my speculation is correct, and given also the low 51 ohm output impedance of some or all of the AudioBox models, shorting the signal it provides on XLR pin 3 to ground might not be healthy for it if done on a prolonged basis.

Best regards,
-- Al