Would You Rather Own A Good SET Amp, Or A Great Push Pull Amp?


Throwing this out there because I would appreciate the viewpoints of the many knowledgeable, and experienced audio people here. I'm really torn about a decision I am considering in this regard. And no, sorry, I cannot name the amps involved. I could lose one or both options if I publicized them here. And honestly, only the tiniest fraction of forum members would ever have listened to even one of these options. 

The speakers they would be used with can equally accommodate either of these choices per the designer/manufacturer, who I ran it by. 

Your thoughts would be appreciated. 

nightfall

As I said above, I don't have a clear sense of which is inherently better.  I own very low-powered versions of SET and pushpull amps, but they are not comparable in design so I cannot draw any conclusion.  But, over the years I have made some general observations.  First, the very best sounding triode tubes are all quite low in output power (e.g., 45 and 2a3), and using them in SET topology means one must have highly efficient speakers or use them only to deliver modest listening levels.  By efficient, I mean something approaching or above 100 db/w with 8 ohm or higher nominal impedance).  Second, as Atmasphere noted above, they need an air-gapped output transformer to deal with saturation and one can only partially offset the loss of inductance by making the core massive.  This means the output transformer is usually very expensive; cheap SET amps with puny transformers sound whimpy to me.  

But, with proper speakers and a quality build, SET amps deliver a very "pure" sound that can be quite seductive.  While bass tends to be not as tight and punchy as that of a good pushpull amp, the bass has its own positive attributes--it has natural and subtle differences of tone while pushpull bass is much tighter and punchy at the cost of sounding a touch "mechanical" (sameness).  I have no disagreement with someone finding the balance of attributes favoring SET amps.  But, I do disagree with the "magic" qualities ascribed to SET amps; you can hear the same qualities in pushpull amps, perhaps not in the same balance, but there is nothing exclusive to SET sound.  

We have not even considered OTL amps in this discussion.  A well implemented OTL amp can have explosive dynamics and sound very vivid without being harsh or unpleasant as one might expect with that kind of dynamics.  

Per bass issues with SET. Over decades of using both pp and SET I've found bass performance to be highly variable. I've probably had more issues with overly resonant, one note bass with pp vs set. What I've discovered over the long term is speaker and amp has to be a sympathetic match, the right tool for the job. One needs both high efficient and impedance friendly speakers for SET, also need amp with quality power supply, meaning some reserve capacity, finally quality transformers. 845 SET can drive some speakers not often associated with SET, power supplies with these quite substantial, around 900V plate voltage with these. With the right speakers a nice 300B amp running top tier 300B tube like the new Western Electric is sublime, never heard any pp that can replicate harmonic structure of these.

This is a loaded question to me.  I wonder what the responses would be if it was flipped to "Would you rather own a Great SET amp or Good Push Pull amp".

On one hand I'm surprised by lack of support for SET here, on the other, not. The speaker is a critical part of the equation, flea power SET's, 300B and down really only fit for horns, single drivers, perhaps dual driver with minimalist crossovers, 845 and some other relatively high power transmitter tubes can run some speakers in 95db efficiency realm but I doubt many have owned these amps. PP have the ability to run large number of speakers SET really not fit for, so easy to understand the preference. 

I've heard for extended periods PP Amp's and Set Amp's as well as OTL Amp's.

Some from  Brands that have managed to aquire exposure around the Globe, some not so well recognised as a name. 

Some as a build using a Kit Design as the fundamental. 

Some being quite heavily modified in relation to their basic design. 

Some from a recent production period and others extending back to being undeniably a die for Vintage Model

I'm still left with the million dollar question, being, 

" what makes a great amp and what makes a good amp? " 

Is there such a choice available?