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Would like to try a tube preamp after years of solid state and hybrid

I would like to replace my Counterpoint SA-1000 preamp of which I am the original owner.  I have never been satisfied with it.  I bought it as a replacement for a Hafler DH-100 pre that I bought to go with a Hafler DH-220 amp.  (I still like the amp, more so after I recapped it and upgraded a few parts.)  I did a total recap of the Counterpoint and replaced some of the rca jacks, along with a few other small things, but still find it to sound congested and dull.  In my opinion, it didn’t live up to the positive reviews that it received when it was released, but it served well in a secondary system.  My primary system makes use of an Aragon 24k preamp and 4004 amp which I find to be an acceptable level of performance.  I am using all digital sources at the moment, a JVC XL-Z1050 cd player or MacBook Pro through a Weiss DAC204.  The speakers are B&W Cm1/CM2.  Yes, with the exception of the DAC, it is all from around the same vintage.  You might be able to guess, but I have chosen components which produce a clean and crisp sound.  I am at the point that I would like to experiment with a completely different sound in the form of an old school, or near old school, tube preamp.  

 

I have been doing as much research as I can, including many thoughts from the Audiogon community, and have narrowed my choices down to the following few that are available right now, but open to other suggestions as I’m not in any rush.  I’m not a super-critical listener, but I have music training and experience, so I know what instruments and performances sound like live.  My budget is $2,000 or less plus trade value for the Counterpoint, and my goals are to get something that sounds obviously like a tube component.  I would like to equal or exceed the performance of the 24k in case I like the tubes better.  A phono stage is not required, but welcome.  I don’t like designs that have exposed tubes or showy facades (McIntosh, Zesto, PrimaLuna, etc).  I would like to get some guidance from the forum members.  

 

Conrad-Johnson PV 5, PV 10, PV 11, or other

Audible Illusions Modulus L3 or M3

Cary SLP-70

VAC Standard LE

Joule Electra LA-150 (in spite of the fact that they are out of business)

Audio Research (although I can’t decipher which model to consider - LS7, LS17, LS25?)

 

If I choose something newer, perhaps Quicksilver, AVA, Modwright, or Brown Audio Lab, but these might not sound ad "tubey" as the older units.

 

I understand that the older preamps might require some amount of rehabilitation, some of which I can do.  Nothing is a sure bet, but I would appreciate your input.

 

Thanks for any input, and best wishes!

charliehorse

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sls883
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I just traded a conrad-johnson PV-14L tube preamp to The Music Room. For the money, I think it's excellent.  It has a remote and theatre pass through if that matters.  Takes two tubes that last a long time unlike some of the newer c-j preamps.

I used it with a Coda solid state amp. 

sls883
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@charliehorse

 

Mine might not be listed yet. Mine has a gold face and is in mint condition.  Includes the remote, box, etc. 

sls883
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@charliehorse

Or, maybe it sold. They inspected it last week. 

sls883
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@charliehorse

 

If you are looking at the black unit, they should have a remote for it. I sent an extra remote with mine. You can buy them from c-j for $40.

I bought mine new in 2001 and it was the last piece that I upgraded. I initially went to a conrad-johnson Premier 17LS2 which was better in some respects, but not all.  I now have a Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL preamp

I think the PV-14L paired well with my solid state amp. I never felt that it was overly warm or tubey.  I used Mullard M8080 tubes. I think you'd like it. I wanted to keep mine, but it would have just sat in storage. 

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