??? Wood Plinths: Layers: 7/2/1 ? Wood Type: Solid or Veneer or Vinyl Wrap wood look ?

I meant answers about factory plinths and factory turntable bases, not looking for advice or custom solutions, thanks.

billwojo

I bought my CL-P2 from a Russian in Canada named Vlad. Superb protective shipping, great communication.

He has another CL-P2, in great shape, says dust cover (not shown) is in great shape, he will include a transformer 120/100 volt. It has a TT61 spinner in it, and a Pioneer Arm with cable attached.

https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649624766-victor-tt-61-quality-direct-drive-turntable/?utm_campaign=response-received&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email

his current list of ads

https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/userads.php?user_id=10089

I recommend him without hesitation,

Elliott

billwojo

here is a CL-P2 with a TT81 spinner, and a long JVC Victor 7082 arm. The arm has bad suspension grommet that isolates the rear counterweight section, you would need to fix it, then it’s a terrific arm.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-CL-P2-TT-81-UA-7082-Analog-Player-Set-AC100V-Working-Properly-F-S-d60/254585467881

I fixed one, I simply got rubber grommets at Home Depot, if you have skills and small tools, it is not hard or expensive at all.

you might ask him to keep the TT61 and pioneer tonearm, tell him you won’t need the transformer in that case.

less for him to pack and ship,

he might reduce the price some, I asked him a long time ago to sell just the base, he was not receptive, but he just reduced the price because it is not moving, my guess is not selling because he didn’t show the dust cover and people prefer TT71, TT81. Dollar is strong now!

If Vlad says the dust cover is very nice, I don't doubt his word.

what do you mean. he has the cover, he told me it was included, and that it is in very good shape.

you could write him and quote me that he said it was included. I have it in writing from him.

he also said he would include a transformer for the TT61.

He might have going further for me than a new customer, but I would definitely get that cover.

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found it


Vladimir Zharkov <vzharkov@hotmail.com>Tue, May 5, 8:09 PMReplyto meHello Elliott,

I hope you are well there at this hard time.

1. The cover is original factory made in very good condition.
2.  I will include a trasformer
3.  Tonearm has bare wires which were soldered to audio cable
4.  Shipping would be around $120 via carrier

Regards,
Vlad

Bill,

You will love it, and the price is very good IMO.

I've been watching it for a long while. He never showed a photo, or mentioned the dust cover. (why it didn't sell IMO). (and nobody seems excited about TT61).

When asked, surprisingly for that price, his response seemed to be, of course it is included, factory, very good condition, so be hopefull.

I find less info about the TT61, however, my guess is when you test it before you switch to yout TT71, you will find no performance difference. More 'primitive' looking speed adjustments, who cares.

I think a lot of the improvements, 61, 71, 81, 101, 801 were for progression/perfection of engineering in the peak of TT era with lots of competition from other great engineers. Awesome days.

They all maintain speed fantastically, all are solid whirling space ships, and the plinth is superb!

well, does he have the cover? and will he sell it separately?

Bill,

Before success with Vlad,

I had one arrive smashed (improperly packaged), then UPS smashed it more inspecting the damage.

I wrote to someone on eBay who makes Dust Covers. He gave me a price, and, if I took a nice photo of it on my TT, that he could use for future sales, he would give me a nice percentage off, so, one way or another you will get one.

However, the factory cover is very heavy, 3/16" thick because of it's large size, beautiful, precise hand cutouts, aligns with the rubber locators on the deck (see photo of your deck, 4 of them stick up in the corners).

So factory is the best idea.

chakster

you are right, I moved to private messages, sorry it didn't occur to me.

I also am curious, do you mean Denon puts a nicer finish on their plinths? They look good in photos ('ve never seen the real thing), the Victor large plinths are a a low lustre semi-gloss, less shine, less glare

structural differences?

btw, 

any forum, cameras, audio, ... any thread, I always imagine other interested readers, amateur or pro, learning stuff as I did in the beginning

so I tend to answer more than the OP's original question or issue.

When a thread takes a side line, I hope to get back on line, start a new thread, or private message as you say.

links do disappear, but for learning now, they work well.

Aside from construction, I was hoping we could gather together descriptions of the final finish surfaces.

Big JVC Victor Plinths are real wood veneer, with a semi-gloss finish.

The type of wood veneer, i.e. walnut, rosewood, .... it is actually hard to know for sure, it may be they specifically selected highly figured walnut and added a reddish color stain which makes you suspect rosewood. In any case, very nice.

The arm boards are 3/4" thick, also special bonded layers, same veneer.

The grain pattern on the arm boards is the same direction as the deck, and very well matched, however the arm board(s) could have been moved from one plinth to another, or purchased separately, and years of light can discolor portions of the deck, so a faded armboard might not look good in an un-faded deck.

Ask about existing holes, the distance, center of spindle to center of hole. and the diameter of the hole. Depending on the size of an arm's base plate, you can 'ease' a hole a bit farther or closer by enlarging the hole a bit one way or another. worked for my rear arm.

When you add a long arm, things get tricky. If it had a Victor 7082, that is 282mm center to center, 11-1/8". I put my Blackbird arm, 12.5" center to center, new location, then had an exposed hole. It was a 1-1/2" hole, so I bought a 1-5/8" bit, drilled a round plug out of 1/2" wood, the plug just smaller than 1-1/2". Blackened top surface with marker, and taped the plug in from the bottom. Now there is a 1/4" round recess where I keep the 45 adapter, looks nice.

btw, that Blackbird arm rear counterweight portion of the arm just fits inside of the huge dust cover, and I cut a notch in my dust cover for the arm’s junction box, (the Russians at New Art Vinyl don’t like the sound of DIN connectors), so the cartridge wires start above the deck. I could have drilled a small hole, put the box below, or put the box on the rear face of the deck, but the wires are the most delicate silk covered litz wires I ever saw, and considering future changes ... He says there are 38 strands of individually coated copper inside the silk sheath. Hell to deal with, but sounds terrific.

I would never have a TT without a dust cover. I had a Thorens TD 124 without one, but it was at eye level in a tall cabinet, pocket doors closed when not in use.

I prefer to play with them OFF, however, hinged covers, first I check to see if it effects level when left up. If not (Audio Technica 120 cover up maintains level), then I just left it up when playing.

I put felt pads on one end of my big plinth cover, lift it off, place it on it's edge, leaning upright out of sight, out of the way

My forced air system makes dust a plenty.

chackster, didn't you day you loved the Denon 3000?

says this denon 3000 works, $290 or make offer

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DENON-DP3000-Turntable-DJ-Music-Club-Servo-Direct-Drive-Shipping-From-Japan-Used/303566080423?_trkparms=aid%3D1110009%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200220094952%26meid%3D5bb2df59ead840b8ae699c8ff7ade39b%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dlo%26sd%3D174151940188%26itm%3D303566080423%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3Ddefault%26brand%3DDenon&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219

thanks,

we know victor big plinth's are real wood veneer on composite 70mm (2-3/4") thick, 7 layer, no need to dig that one out. arm boards are around 19mm (3/4") thick, multi layer, matching real veneer.

the pioneer, and others like that, many pre-packaged combos of deck/arm from jvc, pioneer, denon, sony, ...

are the true subject of this inquiry, not an exhaustive study, just answers if people know them,

as so many of them look like real wood, but may be vinyl wraps that look like wood. some have an acrylic 'pour' over ____?

and the descriptions can be misleading.

and some are 'good', thick', long lasting glue, ... so those experiences are good to know, 

and some are solid wood.

IOW, Pandora's Box, is it wood?

for instance

The Mitsubishi Vertical Turntable LT-5V deck and legs are composite wood (MDF?), painted grey to look like metal. I was surprised when I picked it up, not light but not as heavy as I anticipated. Sound deadening was their reasoning.

yeah, Chipboard, that's the name for the Mitsubishi Deck, with smooth paintable surface.

looscannon,

thanks for the link to the AR TT video, an enjoyable and informative hour,

best-groove,

thanks for the info and photos