Why would it go anywhere, when it's dominant? |
You call the 2-3% of CD titles that are encoded in HDCD dominant? |
IS THIS A TRICK QUESTION? WHO IS BACKING THIS VENTURE? WHO CONTROLS THE MAJORITY OF RECORDING ARTISTS INTERNATIONALLY? WHO HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY DTS AND DOLBY LABORITORIES OUT OF THEIR BUDGET JUST FOR ADVERTISING? WHO HAS DOMINATED MOTION PICTURES, CONSUMER AUDIO SALES INTERNATIONALLY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS AND HAS A CUSTOMER BASE MORE LOYAL THAN MONICA LEWINSKY?..................SONY!!!! ANYMORE QUESTIONS?.................I DIDN'T THINK SO. |
It seems to a decent format in that these discs usually sound well mastered irrespective if you have a HDCD filter or not. It'll survive but probably fade over time. The other new formats(DVDA& SACD) are a joke since so little of it is actually available. I would guess normal CD's will dominate at least for the next couple years and you can bet SACD will die at birth due to the DVD formats becoming universal |
Lgregory If you recall Sony also tried to push the BETA video format and lost even though it was better. The market will dictate where it goes as it ALWAYS does. Sony can push all they want but ultimately I think DVD will be the ultimate winner and why wouldn't it be? It only makes sense. DVD movies are the new wave for home entertainment. Audio will be incorporated in this format. Why have more than one? Who wants SACD? Home Entertainment is the future 2 channel audio is only for enthusiasts and as time goes on I'm afraid will shrink further. |
This is a great forum, there is enough knowledge here that if you read trough a thread you will usually end up with enough knowledge to draw your own conclusions, especially on questions related to the future,which unless you own a crystal ball (an audiophile approved crystal ball!) you couldn't answer with certainty. I have HDCD in my DVD player and only own two albums that take advantage of it out of several hundreds. Will we see an upsurge of HDCD remastered CD's I personnaly doubt that. |
Contrary to what most folks assume, DVD-A will never catch on because no retail space will be allocated to it. Retailers are not going to replace CDs with DVD-A since no consumers have DVD-A players and the discs won't play in current DVD players. Moreover, where are the discs? There aren't ANY, and there won't be ANY for some time. As a final nail in DVD-A's coffin, the watermarking to be used in DVD-A is audible. As such, no audiophiles will buy it, even if it ever becomes available. As to the original poster's question about HDCD. Forget it, HDCD isn't even a format. |
There are 20 times the number of titles in HDCD as in SACD, and they aren't restricted to the Sony/Columbia/subsidiary catalog either. I'd call that dominant...SACD will never catch up to the number of titles mastered with HDCD. SACD will never catch on with the general public (they're priced too high), and HDCD already has. SACD's will never play their SACD layer on a CD player, and HDCD has always been compatible with all CD players (don't require the HDCD subcode to be decoded, in order to play). Wake up and smell the cauffin... |
DVD-A has a long way to go regarding the watermark issues. Once that is solved. I believe that that format will prevail. Sony has a great sounding product but as I have seen Sony do they charge too much. Look at the case of the mini disk. Anyone remember these debuting in the early nineties? Sony produced prerecorded versions of their catalog to put the minidisk in competition with cds. What happened? The minidisk failed. Sony gouges the market. HDCD will survive but only until DVD-A solves the watermark issue |
HDCD is a band-aid and sounds like it. Hope it disappears. |
I think HDCDs are already becoming obsolete because recent non-HDCDs are mostly well recorded, and much better than the recordings of even a few years old. I own an HDCD player, and though I can still tell the difference between HDCD and non-HDCD encoded CD's, the margin is slimming all the time. If you don't have an HDCD player, playing HDCD encoded disks that aren't properly decoded by the HDCD filter tend to sound worse than non encoded CD's, so there is a slight sonic penalty to be paid by not owning one. |
The real reason hdcd will be a non issue is the Pacific Microsoft PMC 100 chip is inferior to the Burr Brown -- hands down.Regular cds sound better with this 24/96 chip in the dac.Why would all the MFG's be scrambling to add this? Carl,does RA add this chip as an upgrade, to your unit? |
E-mail Pacific Microsonics, Keith Johnson, or Jeff Kalt about their philosophies regarding HDCD, and also what Jeff uses in the new CD55. He'll be happy to set you straight...I'm not the manufacturer, I only defend my player on issues of sound quality. Have you heard the CD50 or CD55? You need to hear mine, come visit it. HDCD's are clearly superior with regards to dynamic contrast, to those that have not been mastered with the process. Sony's super bit mapping process is about halfway to the improvement of the HDCD process. You and other detractors have argued since HDCD's inception, that it does nothing for CD's. I've even argued with manufacturers about it, and none have convinced me that, to not decode the HDCD subcoded "triggers", somehow is better than to decode them. Just doesn't fly. So what makes you think you can somehow prove this to me? Different manufacturers always feel differently about this issue, and I know what I hear. Do you believe what you hear first hand? No offense, but I wouldn't, if I were your age...just my pinion... |
Actually, Burr Brown makes a chip that decodes HDCD, so there's no reason to make such a compromise. My opinion? As long as there's extra bits, there will always be a market for HDCD encoding/decoding technology. Although with the advent of 24/96 and higher PCM rates, it becomes an increasingly niche market. |
Carl, Resolution Audio is a joke. Where did you buy your player? At www.junk.com? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
You're a bad joke, and apparently quite a moron. Go back to donating semen to animal husbandry....Muwah hah hah hah hah!!!!! |
Carl, you've obviously been spending too much time in front of the mirror. Anyone stupid enough to buy Resolution Audio should be pitied. I'm sure your butt hurts from the experience. |
You two should just stop denying the inevitable. On a more serious note; I don't believe that HDCD is all that much of a factor. I have approximatly 500 cd's, and out of those I have only noticed a half dozen that play in HDCD. The HDCD does sound better, but not enough for me to care. It is maybe 10% better. I think a significantly better format will be needed to get people on a bandwagaon. I think we will see SACD/DVD players come down to the consumer and audiophile entry level and become a market force. Sony has already released a $700 player. This tells me we will see audiophile grade players hitting the 1000-1500 price point. Internet buying makes it practical for major players such as Amazon and CDNOW to stock SACD/DVD titles. Additionally, you must take into account that Sony owns the largest collection of recorded audio in the world. |
John_1, street price on the Sony SCD-777ES is already $1600 new. |
Phill, where can I find it at this price (now you make me want it) thanks for the info. |
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Phil, my but hurts from sitting at my system too long, mezmorized by the music. I suspect yours hurts from your little get together with your cell mate last night! Good luck with that, you slimeball greenhorned baby coward... |
