Will China become the poor man’s dealer for high end audio?

They will definitely produce audio...but I don't believe in a good result (we are talking about their developments)...these guys got off the palm relatively recently - they don't have good taste... + Asian national culture is noticeably different from the rest of the world.

@mahgister 

no no - I understood you well (and for a long time) ... you are a creative person, a dreamer, there are elements of idealism and eclecticism at the same time ... (in general, a real vinaigrette) ...

I didn't say the Chinese weren't capable - I said it probably wouldn't happen anytime soon... And it's better for the music lover to ignore their products... it will save a lot of time and money in the long run... life is too short to waste it on fast food.
If the situation changes, everyone will notice it ... but not yet.

Delete Germany from the list - there is high quality, but it will be very expensive.

2000 years ago engineering? - yes, but then it consisted in the production of paper and gunpowder (the wheel was most likely stolen somewhere) ...))) - this has little to do with audio in the 21st century.

P / S Many people try very hard ... pay for education, read books - this gives them the illusion of good knowledge of the subject - they believe in what they were taught (they paid money - this enhances the effect) ... The prose of life is that very often sources and teachers were erroneous, and sometimes even evil manipulators ... (a vivid example of such a discipline as historical science ... I assure you - very few people really know it, since every political force after the advent and to power - he tries to destroy books about the past and writes his own version in order to legitimize his crimes ... Remember how Hitler burned books and brainwashed his people ... By the way, the most difficult thing is to deceive large masses of eyewitnesses + the regime itself should serve the interests of the population, and not its own pocket ... this situation was in Soviet Russia ... now capitalism is there again - the world has lost the country an example, a bright landmark of the future) ...

@mahgister 

You have decided to become a lawyer for the Chinese ... (illusion of rightness based on book facts - the reality is somewhat different).
Have you been to China? I have been several times...
My post was exclusively applied in nature (was the answer to the question of the author of the branch).
I'm not a chauvinist ... by the way, do you know what the Chinese call tourists? - white monkeys ... (at the same time, many of them themselves were illiterate, they were dirty and a few years ago they wiped their asses with their fingers ... but they were very proud))) ...)
Of course, you can physically make audio in any country - even at the north pole; but this does not happen ... Apparently there is some inertia-tradition ...
For example, the best cars are made in Germany, the best furniture in Italy and Romania...
Asians - their culture is different from another world and has its own specifics (they even hear differently ... they love high frequencies very much ... there is even a term - "Japanese sound") ... this is not an axiom, but a pronounced trend.
Do you know what Peter Qvortrup thinks about Americans? (audio) - this is a country of a child ... people in the mass do not have taste and internal culture (we are talking about both the content of music and the quality of its reproduction ... mainly talking about classical apparently) ... And I'll tell you - yes, this is largely true ... BUT, if you need a good audio system - look for it in America))) .... (you will need to try many combinations of equipment).
Being skilled in this hobby means getting the best possible sound for the least amount of bucks.
1 . China is more of an assembly shop ... but not art level engineering ...
2. Cheap electronics (and the topic of the thread is about this) - a priori, these are bad components, saving literally on everything.

Where to buy cheaper serious high end?? ... it is important not only to buy, but also to hear in advance - that's America ...
at the same time, individual devices can be bought in other countries (but these are big difficulties - travel, customs, delivery - this is the lot of real hobby fans).
In what countries ? - England, Russia, Italy, Japan (artisans), the Netherlands.

@mahgister 

Needham's authority to hit Sergio? - what a cruel reception)))) ...
We can vote - whose approach to this particular issue is more effective and practical for an audiophile (most likely a beginner - since the veterans themselves know everything) ... my modest 35 years of trial-and-error experience of findings of observations in audio and momentary prejudices regarding Chinese products (including by indirect signs not related to electronics ... well, I don’t like these pagan guys as High-end sculptors) ... Or your approach (but for the sake of purity of experiment, voters MUST read all 7 volumes of Needham's works and extrapolate the knowledge gained to the situation).

I broke my head trying on a story about dogs - where am I and where are you in it? ... - all options are terrifying))))

We summarize: If the patient really wants to live, doctors are powerless!

I think many people should be forced to show the film The Matrix! ... maybe then they will understand what TV has done to them ... Cunning guys with big money have painted a picture of the world for ordinary people (of course, in their own interests).

... "I was bitten by Mahgister" - now I want to tell the truth ... whether you like it or not - You can trust me!

Never in the entire foreseeable history (any sources except since 1993) has no "independent and sovereign country" existed de facto and de jure.
Even the name is translated as: near the edge ... (border area) of a large country.
I will say more - the capital of this "independent and sovereign country" - for many years (almost 400) was the capital of a country that invaded itself))).

Indeed, in 1917-1920, a group of businessmen wanted to create a separate country from this territory and appoint themselves as its owners ... they did not succeed and it all became the Soviet Union.
Until 1917 - there were numerous attempts to seize this territory by all the countries around (Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany) - Russia defended itself and helped the border region protect itself from "good Europe" and only thanks to this did these people survive at all.
World War II - as part of the Soviet Union from this territory, 7 million people fought against Hitler (in his hands were all the resources of Europe that did not resist him).
1993 - violating all conceivable legal and moral laws - a group of swindlers in power dissolved the Soviet Union (it was a financial collusion with Western corporations trading in natural resources - TREASURE ... these people appropriated the people's property personally) ... Since that time, the country has de facto the status of a semi-colony ... A narrow stratum of people is immersed in luxury - the main population of the richest country lives in poverty.
Who watched the film "Django Unchained" - there was a black slave who was the manager of DiCaprio's house - but he hated other black slaves with a lower status ... Approximately the situation in the country that attacked the "sovereign" ... the elite treats its people in the same way as that manager - robs him ... this country decides little in this world (despite the fact that the country is nuclear) ...
Attacked? - yes and no ... since 2014, a "sovereign country" has been waging an open genocide on a national basis ... destroying everything from a common past ... massive crimes of extreme cruelty.
Who ordered this to be done? - for reference - almost all the teams of politicians who were at the helm of the "sovereign" - came to power through coups ... they are criminals and manipulators of public opinion.
The regime of a large country for 8 years pretended that nothing was happening and itself pushed the "independent" into Europe ... the interests of ordinary people were ignored. There was a massive brainwashing through the TV - deception.
The people could not stand it and a conflict began - many territories decided to officially return to a large country ... but the "sovereign" authorities declared them separatists and began to destroy ... As a result, a large country intervened - an invasion ...
But not everything is so simple - do you remember Django? - so the "manager" serves the master and hates people like him (the people) ... that's why everything that happens sometimes looks strange, not logical. Apparently there is a bargain (they are balancing - the pressure of the population and the order of the master) ...

How is it even possible that a small territory is in such conflict with the second army of the world ??? - very simple - WE provide it - OUR TAXES OFFICIALS SPEND ON THIS CONFLICT ... by order of the United States, 40 countries are pumping "independent" weapons with money and mercenaries ... And before that, for 30 years they spent money on the psychological treatment of the population of the "sovereign" - they grew a mutant.

If you think that this is in the interests of the ordinary population of the States - you are a naive person - all for the personal gain of bankers and corporate owners. But they lie to you - in order to conduct this adventure for your money.
They created an image of an enemy for you - supposedly Russia is a bad country and dangerous ... FALSE - I lived there (I lived in many places or was a tourist) - these are the kindest people on the planet with an amazing culture ... I can compare!

Someone will say their regime is dangerous... HOW? - a semi-colony country ... WHY? - they are the richest - they do not need extra territory and resources, they have people with a good education ...

But the aggressive forces in the West by all means prevent them from developing - in order to sell their goods to them.

MATRIX MATRIX MATRIX ....

Someone thinks that the grandfather, who every day falls on the stairs, hits the toilet and cannot find the door, really rules the country? his vice - laughs like a ship's horn ... This is some kind of comedy!

SIMPLE PEOPLE HAVE NO WHERE TO LEARN THE TRUTH - THEY ARE VICTIMS OF MANIPULATION ...

China? - it's just an economic competitor ... America is trying to interfere with them ... But audio - in my opinion it's better to buy here))).